I would love to have her audit my logs, and get $100 for everything she misses. I would purposely fill them with mistakes for that, and become wealthy beyond imagination.

 

will she or he notice the 2hour drive between atlanta and nashville
personally being a log auditor would suck staring at a screen all day looking at graphs. frequent computer errors. and drivers like me who write ineligibly.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :P

 

Funny Ken: But no need to worry about errors! I definitely do not need to worry about working for food/beer!

And for checking the actual re-cap you don't have to check the re-cap unless a driver needs help learning how to do it or if they made a mistake! The re-cap is not a DOT regulations to be filled out!

Ken: Termed driver for "False Logs" DAC reports! Ken will be on the street corner begging for money :roll:

 

i allready know that dawn. thanks for telling me what i allready knew.
now do you really know im on the street corner begging for grub you must be that lady on the other side of the street winking at me.

 

Putting anything on or in a logbook that is NOT required is the dumbest thing a driver can do. And companies that require such entries are even dumber. Any half A$$ lawyer will tell you never give more that what is required by law.

The same thing can be said about "logbooks" in general. If companies had any smarts they would go to loose-leaf logs. And instruct their drivers to NEVER give D.O.T. more than 7 previous day log pages plus today's. What these companies don't seem to understand is by giving law enforcement more than is required they expose themselves to citations outside the scope if the investigation. The same thing can be said for company audits.

One additional item is the nonsense of putting all the information such as what the driver did when he/she change status. Put only what is required nothing else. If you or the company wants additional information enter it in a separate trip sheet.

As far as having a recap use a separate sheet external to any log. If the company wants this information (why I have no idea) send in the external sheet(s).

A driver who does not know how to do a recap sheet proves the person doing the origination FAILED their job plain and simple.

As to knowing the exceptions is ever bit as important as know the basics. It is the instructor responsibly to know and understand every rule and be able to fully explain every rule. Including ALL the exceptions. If there is any doubt the final answer is the rule book itself. "Cheat sheets" are fine for doing your own work but should NEVER be used to explain a rule to someone else. Explain it by using the rule itself.

NEVER GIVE A OFFICER MORE THAN IS REQUIRED.

kc0iv

 

Yea gives me a headache too, and not just Dawn either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems to me some of the regular posters just wait for a chance to strike at someone. Its like they live for the hate and discontent. Sure Dawn comes off a little pushy, but to beat a dead horse and continue with their holier than thou attitude just proves, small things amuse small minds!!! Yooper, you are a moderator here and I cant believe you would indulge in this and let it continue! I believe in speaking your mind, so speak it and then let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spelled Yoopr wrong so I had to edit it, didn't want some of the prima donnas here to critique my spelling like I have seen many in the past posts do...lol

 

KC: I do agree with everything you are saying about providing more information than needed. The only thing I can say is the fact that the more you do have and the information is legible the less likely DOT is going to mess with you anyhow.

For the 70 hour/re-cap: Well if DOT writes you up strictly on the basis your recap shows you in violations could be argued. You could have made an error. What the officer and myself do, is we enter the last 7 days plus the 8th day which tells us if you have a 70 hour rule violation. I do not depend solely on the drivers re-cap, although I do solely rely on helping the driver by taking a look to see if he/she is filling it out correctly and if they are not I send them a message letting them know. Truckers have allot on their mind and I have had many drivers get confused and it is great to have prior logs to see how they are doing on the re-cap.


Everything boils down to what someone said earlier! Log it as you do it, Don't speed and write down what you are doing and you should not have a problem with anyone Company or DOT because you are logging legal!
DOT is pretty smart when they see you are not doing a re-cap they know ok, I will run it through my computer now, and then what if you had made a math error on lines 3 or 4 and yeah your "other sheet" says you are not in violation but the math error you had no clue about will be caught, if you did your recap and it did not show the math error DOT probably would not have ran the last 7 plus today's log in his computer. DOT when they come into the office it doesn't matter if you don't write the word Fuel, load etc. They have all documentation relating to the trip and let me tell you they inspect it very thoroughly. I have seen drivers who log neatly and log everything they tend "not to look so hard" That goes on the road also. DOT can't stand drivers trying to falsify their logs! A good auditor or DOT officer can look at a log book and know ok, he is trying to get over on me! Trust me, it is like knowing your kid is lying to you!
It is just little tips to help pass them, as an in the office experience and drivers experience from OTR.

Orientation Training: Well let me tell you about that, Everyone is different, everyone has a different learning capability , so you can beat a guy to death to learn something and he doesn't get it, he goes to someone else and he learns it, because of different words the person uses or pictures! Also in orientation you are "bored" thinking about family, thinking about making money! You have been there 2 days, can't smoke when you want etc. I am very thorough in my orientation class, but when a driver ask about splitting I go over splitting and make sure he/she understands the 11 & 14, when they ask about 70 hour I explain that, there is things (the like being on line 4 past your 70) I do not explain and tell them once you master that let me know and I will teach you a few other tricks that "might" help you one day!

Now as for me, I apologize for grammar error's I didn't realize that I had to be perfect in this room! I see many on the ones complaining about me, but I don't nit pick at people! I came here to chat with you guys to maybe learn things as I have learned many things from drivers, no not the regulations, just how things go out on the road!

I am not desperate but I do feel I am not going to let 2 people run me off! Everyone has their own way of explaining things and it might be Rev they understand the best or a newbie like me! I do know I have not given any false information here and again unfortunately some will learn by handing out the money in their pocket for the fines, but I can say I tried!



Now I love to hear what DOT said while they audit your logs and you feel they was wrong. Trust me sometimes they are wrong and I like to know what they are saying to the drivers! So we can all learn from each other, we all relate to the same issue's or we would not be here!

Sorry so long winded but you know us females! Especially me the dumb one :lol:

 

your implying the dot are the gestapo logbook police this is not the case.
i have been checked on quite a few occasions and even one morning i was stopped after not having filled it out fortunetly i had the lst 6 days good to go i filled it out and went on my way.
It is not your job as a log auditor to be teaching drivers a few tricks.
simple as this you say log it as you do it. if your company operates legaly in hos compliance then your drivers need not worry about anything.
sleep easy
happy thxgiving now go get yourself all liquired up dawn and enjoy your holidays

 

Ken: I did not see anywhere that it said "log auditors" are not allowed, it says Rules and Regulations message board! I am not trying to teach anyone anything wrong, and everyone has their own method/way of training! How hard is that to understand? I thought you was knocking Rev and everyone else a minute ago about knocking me down!
The driver must do the recap to run legal if he did not do the recap then he would not know if he was legal or not!
Some officers let drivers off the hook for things they shouldn't and some don't understand the reg's fully due to lack of training or understanding!
Go have a beer dude!