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Old 02-08-2008, 11:23 PM
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Any plan should be for the worst scenario rather than best. Plans rarely go completely as you hope. You need to allow for loading and unloading. Even if you do 100% drop and hook, you need to show at least 15 minutes. You ALWAYS underestimate income and OVER estimate costs. You will always have a breakdown, flat tire, etc., that will take time away from your driving. It doesn't happen all the time, but will happen. I have driven new and used trucks. They ALL break down. You could legally do 3,000 miles per week and that figure is realistic. There will be weeks when you won't be able to do that many miles due to business being slow, breakdown, time off, etc.,

I think it is a good idea to save for your truck. The problem is in your high income expectations. Those expectations are based upon consistently doing a 4,000 week. It just isn't going to happen. Your true average for a year will likely be around 2,700/week when you factor in home time, ,etc., That is a realistic figure. It has nothing to do with having a good work ethic. It has to do with being realistic in your expectations. There are some companies that may not give you more than 1,800 miles during slow times of the year. If you go into this expecting to log 4,000 miles each and every week you will be greatly disappointed at the end of your first year.
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 02:12 AM
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IMO,I don't think you will find a company that will let you log 750 miles a day,I could be wrong,but at the very least the DOT man doing log audits would be very skeptical of being able to log 750 a day on a very consistant basis.
 
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I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING IS THERE NOT A 14 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT AND A 11 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT WITH A 2 HOUR AND A 8 HOUR SLEPPER BREAK

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YALL ARE THINKING OF USING ALL YOUR 14 TO DRIVE. NOW I DONT KNOW ABOUT YALL BUT BY NO MEANS AM I LEFT DOOR JUNKY. THERES NO REASON I CANT STAY BEHIND THE WHEEL FOR 11 HOURS STAIGHT DEPENDING ON FUEL IN THE TANKS I HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE PAST WHAT HAS IT BEEN NOW 2 1/2 YEARS SINCE THE NEW LOG HOURS WENT INTO AFECT.

IM NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE LAZY BUT COME ON IF YOU DONT WANT TO WORK THAT HARD THATS TOTALY UP TO YOU. MY MIND SET IS DIF I GUESS, I LOOK AT IT SO MUCH DIF THE REASON IM OUT HERE IS TO WORK. THE WAY I CHOOSE TO DO IT IS TO RUN AS MANY MILES AS I CAN.

I KNOW I WONT BE ABLE TO DO 4000 MILES FOR 52 WEEKS A YEAR BUT WHY NOT 42 OR 46 I JUST DONT HAVE THAT MENTALATY OF JUST DOING 2500 TO 3000 A WEEK ITS NOT IN ME TO SIT I USED TO BE WITH WERNER WHERE ALL I DID WAS SIT THE ONLY THING I GOT OUT OF IT WAS A SORE RIGHT THUMB FROM THAT ROAD KING.

NOW IM NOT DOWNING ANY ONE THAT DONT RUN LIKE I DO BUT THE 4000 IS OBTANABLE IF YOU WORK THATS ALL IM SAYING. I KNOW THERE ARE ALOT OF FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT GOAL.

NOW ONLY ONE PERSON ANSWERED THE ORINGINAL QUESTION WOULD YOU DO IT? AND LETS SAY FOR EVERY ONE SO FAR THAT POSTED HERE THIS WAS YOUR NOT MINE BUT YOU SO CALLED PERFECT WORLD, AND YOU COULD DO IT LIKE I KNOW I CAN. WOULD YOU DO IT?

AS FAR AS THE CAPS THATS JUST WHO I AM OUTSPOKEN IF YOU CANT HANDLE THAT THEN JUST STICK YOUR HAND OVER YOUR EYES AND NOT READ IT.
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 03:52 AM
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IF YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT GO FOR IT. YOU THE MAN THAT CAN DO IT. AFTER ABOUT 5 YEARS OF HARD WORK YOUR HEALTH WILL BE GONE. BUT IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT GO FOR IT.
Paying A Price Per Mile Of $ 1.35 Plus Full Fuel Surcharge From Broker. Base Plates Paid And All Permits
BETTER READ THAT PART AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $1.67 FOR ALL MILES, IF THERE WAS A LEASE DEAL PAYING THAT MUCH FOR THE KIND OF MILES YOUR TALKING ABOUT THER WOULD BE A WATING LIST TO GET ON.

CAN ANYONE SAY PRIME
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 04:08 AM
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Ok I'll answer your question.I would not drive 4k miles a week on a consistant basis if it was available and if I could run it legally.

I would run that many miles once in a great while,but there is more to life than sticking your ass in that seat for 11 hours straight(not possible imo) and running that hard.

Can you answer this question for me.Why do most lease purchase programs fail?
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 04:34 AM
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I don't know guys, why you even bothered?:roll:
This "person" full of it, or have no idea of what he is talking about, or both... :P
Have fun! :lol: :wink:
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MANIACGATOR
I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING IS THERE NOT A 14 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT AND A 11 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT WITH A 2 HOUR AND A 8 HOUR SLEPPER BREAK

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YALL ARE THINKING OF USING ALL YOUR 14 TO DRIVE. NOW I DONT KNOW ABOUT YALL BUT BY NO MEANS AM I LEFT DOOR JUNKY. THERES NO REASON I CANT STAY BEHIND THE WHEEL FOR 11 HOURS STAIGHT DEPENDING ON FUEL IN THE TANKS I HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE PAST WHAT HAS IT BEEN NOW 2 1/2 YEARS SINCE THE NEW LOG HOURS WENT INTO AFECT.
Okay... prove us all wrong and go ahead and do it. Just one thing... please let us all know what truck you will be in so we can avoid you on the road when you finally vapor lock. I've got over two decades (including 6 full years driving Alaska) without an accident or a ticket and I don't want that screwed up. For a few years I had a dedicated run that AVERAGED 3200 miles a week year round, with a live load at one end and drop and hook at the other. Grand Rapids, MI to KCMO. No more than 45 min spent at either end and I still didn't want more. When the weekend came.. I was ready to go home and rest and have a life. Averaging 4K plus a week year round? Man... your body and mind will break down quick. And when it does... I sure hope that there is not a van full of kids near you. Oh well... when you finally vapor lock from running like that, if will mean more freight for us. Unfortunately, it is that type of goofy crap that has gotten us where we are with the FMCSA. Thanks for screwing up all our lives.
 
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Who cares whether you get 4000 miles a week? Simple math and an understanding of operating expenses will tell you that if you can get that rate with no authority or trailer costs...it's a no-brainer. Of course that's assuming you're really going to get that rate and that the freight will be there, even if it's not 4000 miles a week. To do those kind of miles you need a drop and hook operation. Even then you're not logging legally, but you can come closer :roll: I'd be skeptical of anybody who wanted to hire a driver as an independent contractor. There's only one reason to do that and it's to shift cost burdens onto the driver. Why would somebody pulling in this "high-dollar" freight need to do that? I doubt any reputable broker would guarantee those miles. I'd be skeptical of the rate and I know no reputable carrier would hire someone as an IC. But none of this matters. You've got the chance to sign of as a company driver first. Might as well check out the operation and see if it's all it claims to be. Maybe it'll be that diamond in the rough :lol:
 
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Old 02-09-2008, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MANIACGATOR
I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING IS THERE NOT A 14 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT AND A 11 HOUR RULE IN PLACE FROM THE DOT WITH A 2 HOUR AND A 8 HOUR SLEPPER BREAK
I don't know what a "slepper break" is, but I do know there's a 14 hour rule in effect. We'll explore it further in a second.

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YALL ARE THINKING OF USING ALL YOUR 14 TO DRIVE. NOW I DONT KNOW ABOUT YALL BUT BY NO MEANS AM I LEFT DOOR JUNKY. THERES NO REASON I CANT STAY BEHIND THE WHEEL FOR 11 HOURS STAIGHT DEPENDING ON FUEL IN THE TANKS I HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE PAST WHAT HAS IT BEEN NOW 2 1/2 YEARS SINCE THE NEW LOG HOURS WENT INTO AFECT.
Ok, now that you're done ranting and raving, let's break it down:

0.25 pre trip
11 driving
0.25 post trip
10 off
0.25 fuel
0.25 pre trip
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22 hours, and you haven't loaded or unloaded.

Now I don't know about you, but in the really real world, loading and unloading take longer than 2 hours on average. That's more than 2 hours logged on duty (not driving). But, we'll pretend you live in a world where you can drop and hook everything.

In that 22 hours, you were on duty a total of 12 hours, 11 of those driving. You have 70 hours before you run out of hours. That means you will run out of hours (without loading and unloading, mind you) within 5.5 days. If you can find a company that will allow you to just drive around the country, never breaking down, never loading, never unloading, rarely fueling, and never hitting any traffic, then maybe you can do it.

I KNOW I WONT BE ABLE TO DO 4000 MILES FOR 52 WEEKS A YEAR BUT WHY NOT 42 OR 46
Because it isn't legal, and it isn't realistic. 4000 miles divided by 60 mph (average speed) = 66.7 hours. You will never do your pre trips, post trips, fueling, loading, and unloading in 3.3 hours a week. You would be hard pressed to even average 60 mph.

I JUST DONT HAVE THAT MENTALATY OF JUST DOING 2500 TO 3000 A WEEK
It doesn't appear you have much mentality at all.

NOW IM NOT DOWNING ANY ONE THAT DONT RUN LIKE I DO BUT THE 4000 IS OBTANABLE IF YOU WORK THATS ALL IM SAYING.
Obtainable? Sure. Legal? No way.

NOW ONLY ONE PERSON ANSWERED THE ORINGINAL QUESTION WOULD YOU DO IT? AND LETS SAY FOR EVERY ONE SO FAR THAT POSTED HERE THIS WAS YOUR NOT MINE BUT YOU SO CALLED PERFECT WORLD, AND YOU COULD DO IT LIKE I KNOW I CAN. WOULD YOU DO IT?
No way. In 2006, I ran 54,941 miles for the year. Divided by 52 weeks, that averages out to about 1057 miles per week. For that, I earned a little bit over $186,000. That's called running smarter, not harder.
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
No way. In 2006, I ran 54,941 miles for the year. Divided by 52 weeks, that averages out to about 1057 miles per week. For that, I earned a little bit over $186,000. That's called running smarter, not harder.
That's the biggest pile of BULL I've ever seen. PROVE IT!!! I dare you! I saw your W2 you posted then deleted and you made around 50k.
 

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