Got 2nd Over weight ticket this year...ouch $$$$
#21
08-12-2009, 09:48 AM
Whoa, Big Jeep.
After two overweight tickets isn’t it time to rethink your expensive method? Forget “250 lbs. per hole” and overthinking fulcrums. Scale each load as it is not as you think it should be. Then (maybe) you won’t get a third overweight ticket. Again, there is no "standard" 250 lbs. per hole when you haul different loads. Dude, you really need to learn this stuff.
#22
08-12-2009, 09:49 AM
Kev, he had to pay $120 in fines, had he spent that extra $1, he wouldn't have had to pay that $120 fine, so he would have $119 still in his pocket, hence richer than he currently is.
#23
08-12-2009, 09:50 AM
keywords there 'than he currently is'. =)
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#24
08-12-2009, 09:56 AM
it don't matter how it's stacked staggered or what not inside this is the weight on your axles ,and when you slide your tandems it moves the fulcrum a given number of inches per hole the bigger the distance between holes the more weight moved per hole , so with the axle weights i just listed above with a typical trailer 4 holes moves about 1000lbs everytime ,and it don't matter how it's loaded you will move 1000lbs as you will move 250lbs per hole between trailer and drives...Man it seems 99% that responded ...DO NOT ...know how a fulcrum works and therfore don't understand what happend when sliding a tabdem or the fifth wheel , and have an idea that some magic is involved ...LOL so if you're moving more than roughly 250lbs per hole you're trailer will have very large gaps between the slots unlike most trailers ...My truck/trailer is at the T?A in Wheatridge ,Colorado if any of you are in the area I'll gladly prove you I"M right and the other side of the fence is dense in the skull .
#26
08-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Okay...actually what does a fulcrum have to do with sliding the tandems?? A fulcrum is a support about which a lever turns.....there is nothing 'turning' on tandems (aside from the wheels). So understanding what a fulcrum is, Ethan Hunt, really dont matter when sliding tandems. And he actually wouldn't be $119 'richer', he'd be $1 moore poor since thats what he should have spent to re-weigh the rig. getting a ticket, puts you in a hole.
You are correct on the $1. Why someone would go to the bother of weighing a load then not spend a buck on a re-weigh after shifting dosnt make any sense to me. Last edited by jonp; 08-12-2009 at 11:26 AM.
#27
08-12-2009, 12:48 PM
Rather than use any fixed amount of weight moved per hole, do what my trainer taught me: use *roughly* 1% of the cargo weight per hole.
Thus, 40,000 lbs cargo is roughly 400 lbs per hole. 30,000 lbs cargo is roughly 300 lbs per hole. Obviously, some loads are very nose (or tail) heavy, or you might have a trailer with tandem holes spaced closer together. On those, think of three of the narrower holes as two of the "big" ones and you'll be very close to where you need to be. Rescaling close ones never hurts either, lol. Jim
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#28
08-12-2009, 01:17 PM
No. A fulcrum is the pivot on which a lever MOVES which is Entirely different and has everything to do with shifting weight. The tandems do not move as the fulcrum is stationary. you move the weight by moving the lever which is the trailer. Look at it this way. When you "shift your tandems" to legal a load your tandems or the pivot stays in the same place (if your brakes work) what you are actualy moving back and forth is the trailer over it.
You are correct on the $1. Why someone would go to the bother of weighing a load then not spend a buck on a re-weigh after shifting dosnt make any sense to me. no matter how i discuss this, you'll think i'm wrong...but that is okay.
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#29
08-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Well, it was YOUR math (and the not doing a reweigh) that cost YOU the ticket, so...
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#30
08-12-2009, 02:15 PM
After reading this last night I decided to see how close I could balance my load. I knew I was legal by looking at my pressure gauge and my Rite Weigh on the trailer.
I invested $11 for the sake of arguement When I went across the scales the first time I had 30,190lbs on the drives and 32,960lbs on the tandems. I moved the tandems back 1 hole and reweighed and it moved 362lbs to the drives. So I moved the tandems back 4 more holes and the 362lbs per hole stayed pretty consistant when I reweighed again. My trailer is a 2007 Vanguard 53' dry van |
