? Practical application of HOS rules?
#21
12-01-2008, 02:15 PM
One of these days,,,,,,,,, yeah, one of these days,,,,,,,,,,,,POW!! Last edited by Creek Jackson; 12-01-2008 at 02:16 PM. Reason: friggin mistake ok?
#22
12-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Unfortunately, a few years ago, a lot of carriers that did allow pets changed to a "no pet" policy. I believe due to insurance reasons. Too much of a liability to the company. Having a large dog out on the road can be difficult. Stopping so they can "do their business" can be difficult. I've heard of people who had dogs stopping on the shoulder of on ramps to let them do their thing, and when they were bringing the dog back to the truck, the dog got hit by cars heading onto the freeway.
Be sure to ask any company you are interested in what their pet policy is. and have "accidents" but not bother to clean them up.
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#23
12-01-2008, 02:22 PM
Unfortunately, a few years ago, a lot of carriers that did allow pets changed to a "no pet" policy. I believe due to insurance reasons. Too much of a liability to the company. Having a large dog out on the road can be difficult. Stopping so they can "do their business" can be difficult. I've heard of people who had dogs stopping on the shoulder of on ramps to let them do their thing, and when they were bringing the dog back to the truck, the dog got hit by cars heading onto the freeway.
Be sure to ask any company you are interested in what their pet policy is.  I'll definately get all the info before leaping. I can't do anything unitil this job ends 1/1/09 .. then I hope to start school/training right away. Maybe I can be on the road in Feb. I'm trying to find someone to watch her for the 6 weeks or so I'll be training with the new company .. I'm sure they won't let the dog along there.
#24
12-01-2008, 03:10 PM
Thanks for the "nod," Stan.... which makes it almost impossible for me to point out that Miller safety told you wrong.... AND your math is off. That last 6 hour drive you mentioned, can only be 5 hours.
There is no requirement that you HAVE to take a 10 hour break after splitting "once" as in your example. You can go on splitting 8 and 2 forever.... well, until you run up against your 70. One difference between the Rev and I is that he admits he barely skims some posts. I'm sure he expected yours to be perfect and never questioned it. I expected it to be perfect too.... but, I always check the math. I beleive there are several good threads on split logging, and HOS in general in the proper subforum. Mr. Mashburn would do well to check them out and not rely on what another newbie like Kevin says. In your case, you admit you never split, so it is understandable. Once again, my apologies. But, I just have this thing about regs! :lol2::lol2::rofl:  Aaaaaaah crapola. I made another mistake! How am I ever gonna get to walk on water, if I keep making mistakes!! :lol::lol::lol::lol: :clap::clap::clap: Yer right GH....It would be 5 hours driving time after the 2 hour break. The math with the way they make the split work is just to confusing and with my usual delivery schedules, unless I have a breakdown enroute and want to split my way into an ontime delivery, I work 10-11 then take my 10 break. :moon::moon::moon:
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#25
12-01-2008, 03:14 PM
So I've heard. A leash would resolve the dog getting hit issue .. dumb owners! And at 53 I bet I have to go more often than the dog!
I'll definately get all the info before leaping. I can't do anything unitil this job ends 1/1/09 .. then I hope to start school/training right away. Maybe I can be on the road in Feb. I'm trying to find someone to watch her for the 6 weeks or so I'll be training with the new company .. I'm sure they won't let the dog along there. Steve it's to bad about the job coming to an end. Your not the lone dude in the boat though. Lot's of people have been getting that slip the last few months. Hopefully GA has a re-training program, where they help with the costs of you getting the CDL. That would be good. As for your pooch. There must be a kennel that is reasonably priced there. Best of Luck Steve.
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#26
12-01-2008, 03:35 PM
Steve it's to bad about the job coming to an end. Your not the lone dude in the boat though. Lot's of people have been getting that slip the last few months. Hopefully GA has a re-training program, where they help with the costs of you getting the CDL. That would be good. As for your pooch. There must be a kennel that is reasonably priced there.
Best of Luck Steve. It's been a tough year all around. I've had my mom living with me for four years and had to send her to my sisters in Fla a few weeks ago because her alzheimers got so bad I really was unable to care for her anymore .. especially with all this going on. She got bad last year and really bad the last month or two. Horrible and tragic disease. I worked hard and did the right thing for years .. it'd be nice if a little Karma came back my way .. hehehe Thanks
#27
12-02-2008, 01:00 PM
Steve, I'd suggest not worrying about the dynamics of the HOS until you start your training, it's not always easy to understand until you start getting into the business.
Kevin certainly has his heart in the right place, however much of what he says is based on his somewhat limited experience, as well as how HIS company operates. Things like getting loads going home, trying to get resets at home, and so on, are highly dependent on company policy and how they run their business. Each company is different, but the one common thing that you'll see here is that they all would like to see you use all of your availible hours, which would be 70 hours in an 8 day period. This is all provided there is sufficient freight availible, which in this day and age, is certainly NOT guaranteed! Good luck!
#28
12-03-2008, 12:27 AM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Kevin...Your failing to inform Mr. Smashburn (I'm wondering...is this Steve Booth??) that YOU are a 6 week wonder, with all of your driving experience. You have such a good handle on the Hours of Serfice regulations, that you call the re-set period a 36 hour re-set, when in fact it is a 34 hour re-set. Here is how split sleeper was explained to me....and please feel free to ring in again "Father" and tell me how i'm wrong: You must take an 8 hr break in the sleeper, the other 2 hours must be taken either line 1 or line 2. (it DONT have to be more than 2 hours, it DONT have to be only one or the other. if you DO take more than two, you dont get 'credit' for it later.) Here is the easiest way to figure out what you can drive after taking an 8 or 2 hr break. You have 11 hours to drive, you drove part of that, and took your 8 hr sleeper break, take 11 minus what you drove before your break, and the sum is what you can drive before you take your 2. Taking an 8 hour break stops your 14hr clock, but it resumes when you start driving again from where it left off. IT DOES NOT RESET. when you drive a little, and take your 2hr break, the 14hr clock keeps ticking. It is a bit confusing, and it just opens you up to being issued a ticket for a log violation if you dont do it right. (i use a laptop drivers daily logbook program, so i will never get a log violation, unless i try to 'cheat' my time....oh, and before i'm told i'm wrong, Swift DOES allow drivers to use DDL and print off a log sheet to turn in) I dont use it, not cause it is difficult to understand, but because it really dont save you much time....maybe a few hours. I might consider it, if i need that extra 2 hours to get a load somewhere, and i will probably be an hour or two late to drop, but that is about the ONLY time i would take it. 34hr or 36 hr restart? yeah...it is 34.....so what. does taking an extra 2 hours off really matter when you drive your tail off, only to find you would have been in a line to get loaded anyways??
#29
12-03-2008, 12:33 AM
Agreed, Tom. I do have limited experience. BUT hours of service are hours of service. They are the same nationwide because they are FEDERAL. And i know every company is different, with their own way of doing business. BUT you have to agree, that if you have a good DM/Planner, they can get you headed in the right direction if you want to take a 34hr restart at home.
I do have limited experience, but it is experience. Do i know everything like Rev.? hardly. Do i know as much as a driver who use to drive for 20 years? no. NEVER claimed to, everyone else here said that. So how about all you 'internet bullies' cut new guys some slack. this board is here to HELP.....not another venue to showcase your stupidity...
#30
12-03-2008, 12:59 AM
Correct, Kevin, which is why I did not state anything about what you wrote about the HOS regs, just that whichever company Steve may work for may not work like that. That's all.
But seriously, the personal attacks you start whenever someone picks apart what you post is a very quick way to get banned. Rev, nor anyone else on this thread EVER made any kind of personal attack against you. You, in turn, retailiated by name calling. This board is for discussion. We discuss things that have been posted, which normally results in some sort of DEBATE...NOT childish name calling and bad language. 
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