I am assuming that by the term "gun nut" you are referring to legally gun possessing persons.
I hate getting in disagreements over this stuff but what you said is completely false. The vast majority of crimes that are committed with a gun are not by people that legally own them. not sure where you are getting your information.

 

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3

* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6

* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day20. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.21

 

[quote="ICS"]Yeah.. thats who I'm referring too... :roll: No, that's not who I'm referring too, but isn't it odd that most of these mass murders are committed by the paranoid gun hoarders? Isn't it strange that these people also feel the need to gun up to protect themselves from their perceived "enemies"?...

Yeah.. you "hate" these gun nut discussions.. :lol: It's not completely false, and the statistics you provide are also not true in the situation that we are discussing.

The the vast majority of cases you are correct.. but in the vast majority of these types of killings, these people own their weapons or gain their weapons the same way that most other Americans do. There are a lot of "illegal weapons" out there that are gained in less that 100% legal (official) means and you know that.

I can guess where you get yours.. no one wants to be honest anymore especially when defending their drug of choice or their irrational fears. Is it not true that most gun deaths are someone who kills someone they know well rather than these total strangers that the irrational gun toters seem to insist are everywhere waiting to get them? I know why this statistic is both true and very misleading.. do you?

 

Murder Circumstances, 2000-2004
Circumstances 2000 20011 2002 2003 2004
Total 13,230 14,061 14,263 14,465 14,121
Felony type total: 2,229 2,364 2,340 2,385 2,089
Rape 58 61 44 43 36
Robbery 1,077 1,080 1,111 1,061 988
Burglary 76 80 97 94 77
Larceny-theft 23 17 16 21 14
Motor vehicle theft 25 22 15 32 38
Arson 81 71 59 77 28
Prostitution and commercialized vice 6 5 8 16 9
Other sex offenses 10 7 8 10 14
Narcotic drug laws 589 575 664 679 554
Gambling 12 3 5 6 7
Other - not specified 272 443 313 346 324
Suspected felony type 60 72 66 87 117
Other than felony type total: 6,871 7,073 7,185 7,130 6,972
Romantic triangle 122 118 129 98 97
Child killed by babysitter 30 37 39 27 17
Brawl due to influence of alcohol 188 152 149 128 139
Brawl due to influence of narcotics 99 118 85 53 98
Argument over money or property 206 198 203 220 218
Other arguments 3,589 3,618 3,577 3,850 3,758
Gangland killings 65 76 75 114 95
Juvenile gang killings 653 862 911 819 804
Institutional killings 10 8 12 13 17
Sniper attack 8 7 10 2 1
Other - not specified 1,901 1,879 1,995 1,806 1,728
Unknown 4,070 4,552 4,672 4,863 4,943

 

Narrow minded, with "TUNNEL VISION".

So, am I suggesting that we all be victims? Absolutely not. But, look at the reality of it. You step out of your truck and start for the shipping office. Another truck behind you, and the driver coming up behind you. When he puts a knife to your throat from behind, you realize he's not a driver at all. When he relieves you of your wallet, he also makes you one firearm lighter. As he leaves, he either stabs you or shoots you in the belly. That way, you can't chase after him.

Scene two: The guy is coming toward you, then when he gets to you, he pulls his gun on you. Again, he takes your wallet and your firearm. The last thing he does is shoot you in the gut.

I've worked with four guys that were robbed near Hunt's Point some years back. The last thing the thief did was to either shoot or stab them in the gut and the police said it was to keep the driver from chasing after them. There have been two attempts to rob me over the years, once with a straight-razor in CT, and once with a gun in Chicago. The guy in Chicago said that "NEXT TIME, I'LL SHOOT YOU FIRST". So, think about it. We start to carry guns, and we'll start to get shot first, then robbed. And your gun will not do you any good at all.

No, I don't want to see ANY driver be a victim, but unless you can handle yourself in close quarters, stay out of those areas. Places like New York City, Northern New Jersey, south-western CT, Tampa, FL, and especially, Ybor City, South Central LA, and places like that.

In the years I've been driving, there have been two attempts. Not enough to warrant carrying a weapon. And, if you do get robbed, it's much more survivable to get stabbed or shot in the gut than in the head.

 

Really ...Seriously ?

Im being serious here ... I am Ex- military as well , and frankly I can turn anything from a prybar to a lamp chord into an improvised weapon ... But still I was thinking you guys get exposed more often to late night Shiteholes , empty stock yards in large citys etc. Realizing I am a Cherry abd you might be right ...seriously can you drop some Intel on me Fozzy ? All I got now is rumor controul Thanks

Scouts Out
Shawn(Ogre)

 

If your company prohibits firearms being carried in their vehicles then all the other stuff and all the other debates dont mean crap. If your state and the states you run in allow concealed carry, make sure its ok with your company because you might be out of a job if you hide that boom stick under your seat! I love my guns and i am all for them but if your employers says its a no no then just get yourself a big hickory stick and some mace or something if ya want your job.

 

Its better to be tried by 12 than buried by 6.

 

Holy COW !!! the assmptions made by most all of you on both sides are just friggan amazing really ...

Okay am i rambo ? no Rambo was a fictional charector ...

so go there with me and you can roll yor attitude up and make a rapid rectal insertion with it frankly ... I served underarms ...so you can 86 the disrespect ... I do see yor points all of you ...

But frankly I RESPECTFULLY ASKED ...as a newbie ... I expect the same spirit of response ...not a bunch of chestpuffing hormone monkeys ...good lord

WHoever said what ammo ??? thats the most sensible argment I have heard yet ? and makes a good point ... birdshot would likely penetrate and hit an adjacent driver ...snake shot might not ...glazer safety rounds would likely not either ..."experts " realize "gun" is only a third of the eqasion...

THE BIBLE ???? Are you serious ...uhhh decided lack of guns in moses time ...but even a godless heathen like me remembers something about " eye for an eye " ...good Lord indeed ...

Conceled weapons ...H ell far as I am concerned if I own one and pay my taxes I shold be allowed to strap one on like a friggan cowboy ...yea cowboy I said it ...

Case is then I woldnt need to worry about it "being" in my hand ... In case any of you Legal and moral geniuses havent noticed ...it is NOT common for Perps to approach you with a buisness card and go " Ready? ...Set? ...GO?

I agree ....some folks ...sholdnt be allowed to have sharpened pencils for christs sake ...or breed really ... however trained or not ( how that earns yor disrespect I dont know but hey its America ...anyones allowed to be an idiot ) fact is with gun or without gun there are no guarentees ...I Imagine I cold stick a Lock down in a sock ...keep it next to my bunk and lay a hurtin on someone commin in uninvited ...and not kill anyone in the next rig too ... course I dont know what inbreads yall are used to dealing with but frankly I dont dear hunt simply because in the hours I am allowed to " ICANT SEE ANYTHING !!" so I cleared the chamber and took a nap ...even in the service I was not stupid enogh to pray and spray ... so how about dropping the attitudes on all sides

SAY WHAT YOU LIKE BUT... I Guaren "F"in Damn Tee ...the perp out there only jumps those he thinks he has an advantage over ... like an unarmed man or woman with his back Turned ... BEARNG THAT IN MIND ...I still say a gun toting society is a polite society ... bet a lot more folks would be less likely to spout off... period ... remeber they are the scum ..not us

Now ... All of you who simply said something like " Hey doin this for years and been in all kinds of "rough" areas and never needed one "

Thank you

that was what I was looking for ...

the rest ...good god go take your meds !

you know this is the FIRST of these posts I have seen on the Newbie boards ...Ya'll really should be ashamed of yorselves !

Ya'll need to remember this is supposed to be an area for new folks to ask "stupid" qestions ... Ya'll really should respect that spirit and if you dont have something constructive to say ...dont

Im sure they have senior board where you can pat yorselves on the back

Ogre Out !

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Copy and paste much? What do these figures have to do with anything?