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Originally Posted by Fozzy
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Murder Circumstances, 2000-2004
Circumstances 2000 20011 2002 2003 2004
Total 13,230 14,061 14,263 14,465 14,121
Felony type total: 2,229 2,364 2,340 2,385 2,089
Rape 58 61 44 43 36
Robbery 1,077 1,080 1,111 1,061 988
Burglary 76 80 97 94 77
Larceny-theft 23 17 16 21 14
Motor vehicle theft 25 22 15 32 38
Arson 81 71 59 77 28
Prostitution and commercialized vice 6 5 8 16 9
Other sex offenses 10 7 8 10 14
Narcotic drug laws 589 575 664 679 554
Gambling 12 3 5 6 7
Other - not specified 272 443 313 346 324
Suspected felony type 60 72 66 87 117
Other than felony type total: 6,871 7,073 7,185 7,130 6,972
Romantic triangle 122 118 129 98 97
Child killed by babysitter 30 37 39 27 17
Brawl due to influence of alcohol 188 152 149 128 139
Brawl due to influence of narcotics 99 118 85 53 98
Argument over money or property 206 198 203 220 218
Other arguments 3,589 3,618 3,577 3,850 3,758
Gangland killings 65 76 75 114 95
Juvenile gang killings 653 862 911 819 804
Institutional killings 10 8 12 13 17
Sniper attack 8 7 10 2 1
Other - not specified 1,901 1,879 1,995 1,806 1,728
Unknown 4,070 4,552 4,672 4,863 4,943
Copy and paste much? What do these figures have to do with anything?

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Old 02-17-2008, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumper
Its better to be tried by 12 than buried by 6.
In '00, there were a group of CB Rambos going across the Indiana Tpk. Covenant was NOT part of it, but when Covenant stopped to wet down a tire, North American also stopped. While Covenant was standing on the right side of his truck, North American crossed over to the right side of his truck and pumped two nine-millimeter slugs into Covenant. While Covenant was taken to the hospital in an air-ambulance, they caught up with North American about 90 miles later.

The GREATEST DANGER I've seen on the road that might warrant carrying a weapon is from the people that are already carrying them.
 
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Originally Posted by Windwalker
Originally Posted by Bumper
Its better to be tried by 12 than buried by 6.
In '00, there were a group of CB Rambos going across the Indiana Tpk. Covenant was NOT part of it, but when Covenant stopped to wet down a tire, North American also stopped. While Covenant was standing on the right side of his truck, North American crossed over to the right side of his truck and pumped two nine-millimeter slugs into Covenant. While Covenant was taken to the hospital in an air-ambulance, they caught up with North American about 90 miles later.

The GREATEST DANGER I've seen on the road that might warrant carrying a weapon is from the people that are already carrying them.
Excelent Observation sir and the kind of levelheaded reply I personaly am looking for ...

I suppose I get so upset with some folks cause by their standards I am a "Rambo" by some of the standards some folkls preach ...and yes I have had a diffrent life experiance than most ...but by no means unique ...I have been forced to use firearms and weapons to defend myself and others ... but as I said IAM no fictional CHarector

In light of this I completely understand your views , and respect them , As i said before frankly I have seen people "licsensed" in certain states to carry fire arms that frankly should not be allowed by law to have a sharpened pencil for fear of hurting themselves or others. In that reguard you are right ... and I cannot dispute your logic ...by my standards and code of living ...what that story tells me is that that individual is possessed of a singularly selfish cast not to mention cruel or petty and paranoid ...to gun any man down ... in that case who only sought to help ...then flee is to end all ...cowardly ...individuals such as this should no more have possessed the license to operate their "rigs" than to possess a firearm. In truth the vehical is no less deadly than the gun ... in the hands of an individual of like disposition ... Basic Rule is this ...and Idiot with the finest tool on the planet ? ...is still and idiot

I suppose it is a sence of guilt in me , a longing to have not possessed the responsibility for lethal congress ... to not see the faces each morning with my coffee ...An it is in fact just that that spurs me to continue to possess a weapon. I also worked for the Army in a law enforcement capacity working for Narcotics suppression division of C.I.D. after three years the "justice system " military or otherwise left me cold and decidedly I did not persue it ...mostly due to a self evaluation that made me see I was not of a temperment for it ...especially in a civillian sector ...

I do recall nearly 15 individuals sent down for 18-mos to 18 years after discovering I was in fact not a friend or a compatriot in their endevors ...oddly enough nearly all of them promised to hand me my mortal demise ... mostly boyish immature bravado ...as if the whole thing were a movie ...however these days there is a sentiment among the criminal that lethality is acceptable ...which handicaps the rest of us whom do cary some concern for our souls.. Over the years my greatest fears stem from this ...getting caught at Market with the wife and kids by someone with a grudge and me no longer in a carying proffession ...caught with a can of peas

I would say this ...I would seek to do my ancestors justice with my lone vacume sealed vegetable ...however my single action Army would do much nicer ...and even my Odds ...

I realize that some here have spat "proffessional or Trained " as if it were something to despise ... I guess it simply supports my feeling we have become a nation of " experts " who dont really know their ass'es from their elbows ...look at some of my other newbs here ...expecting to be well monied lords of the highway ...never once considering they would have to "work" for it ...as if it was their birthright to have it handed to them ...see me ...Ive already cosidered the worst of what I might face... hurling my guts from a virus picked up along the way ...no time left on my docket ...no safe place to run ...having to ride the remainder of my run . bucket in hand and just keep moving , cold , fatigue , lonliness ...see it was these things I looked at first ...and always will

I most likely , hearing the Majority of the calmer folks here simply saying there is no need to will not carry in any capacity But I want to make clear to all of you here ...were I too , In a choice between taking a round in my chest and accidently harming an innocent ...your grand child , your wife , or even you ...I will take the round ...everytime ...and I have been in that position to choose ..so I do not personally deserve these criticisims nor do I choose to tolerate them ... Even as a service member all shaved , all in uniforms , we are not the same ...and If I will not speak for myself ...which of you will ?
Today , Tomarrow , and every day to come ...my goal was and will simply be what it was then ...I just want to make it home to those who know these things about me and love me for it ...

Either way I am not "proud of myself " when I loose my temper as in the post above and would like to apologize for it ...

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Old 02-18-2008, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bumper
Its better to be tried by 12 than buried by 6.

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It will be interesting to see if he can pull it off this time.....no Johnny Cochran around ...
 
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Originally Posted by Windwalker
And, if you do get robbed, it's much more survivable to get stabbed or shot in the gut than in the head.
Obviously you know little about the human anatomy. See, there's these things called organs in your abdomen. Kidneys, spleen, liver.....any of these ring a bell. Well you see when they are penetrated by a knife or bullet, they tend to bleed rather profusely and you can die rather quickily. Sever your aorta and you will most likely die before an ambulance arrives. Then there is the whole problem of your stomach and intestinal tract, which when cut open, may not kill you right away but will lead to massive infection and septic shock.

So I would much rather attempt to fight off an assailant than "take one in the gut." People watch way too much TV. Me, I speak from experience in EMS and seeing patients who were standing and talking on scene go into cardiac arrest on the way the the trauma center. All in the matter of a few minutes from suffering a penetrating trauma to the abdomen.

More to the point that while you may be okay with not carrying a gun, why belittle those who do want to carry one? I will agree that I've encountered people who carried guns that quite honestly scared me to death. But, there are many who, like myself, have extensive training and continue to train. People want to blame the victim in this society when they confront criminals. Should I fire if I'm not 100 percent sure of my backdrop? No, I wouldn't, because of the risk of hitting someone else. Yeah it does happen. Happens a lot by police officers too. But to assume that every gun owner is going to fire indiscrimantly is ludicrous. And to go on and say because of a few stupid people in the world, no one else can carry a gun is elitist.

I'm far more worried about the retarded drivers who talk on cell phones, shave and put on make-up while driving than I am about law abiding citizens carrying concealed firearms.
 
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I have found no federal laws that regulate the possesion of a firearm in a commercial vehicle.

Every state regulates the possesion seperately. If you have a concealed carry permit it Florida it is accepted in about 28 states. You should be able to find the list on the Florida website.

So the decision to carry depends on your company and what states you drive in and carry in.

If you are traveling in a state that does not recognize your right from Florida you would probably have to have the weapon disassembled to some degree and stored securely and not immediatly accessible and seperate from ammo.

The ammo is another concern. Some states are picky about ammo. NJ prohibits possesion of Hollow Point Ammo. Aside from prohibiting carrying concealed without an impossible to get nj permit.

The penalties would also vary depending on the state from possibly a simple fine to being charged federally if used in a "crime" (I believe parts of Virginia) which will get you 5 years in a fed. pen.

If you run in a limited number of states you should be able to access the state websites and get thier information. If you run all lower 48 I would probably really think hard about it. If you run to Canada do not even think about it. They have extremely strict laws which I believe they are serious about.
 
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I'm far more worried about the retarded drivers who talk on cell phones, shave and put on make-up while driving than I am about law abiding citizens carrying concealed firearms.
Leave me alone, if you saw my face in the morning you would understand why I need to put on make-up.
 
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It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.
Having a pretty good knowledge on the Bible I can't recall a single verse where anything is spoken about God giving a right to bear arms.

Secondly, There has been only one Supreme Court ruling (United States v. Miller) on the Second Amendment. They sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns.

While I support the 2nd Amendment I also see a valid reason for there to be restriction being placed on those right. As a example I fully support the right of an business owner to post a sign that says NO GUNS allowed. I also support the government's right to restrict the types of firearms a owner owns.

I also think your statement "I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should." Will never come to be.

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I love it. I really do. You state that you support the 2nd amendment then you list a bunch of exceptions that essentially destroy it. Some people just don't know how to think anymore.
 
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Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by ICS
It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.
Having a pretty good knowledge on the Bible I can't recall a single verse where anything is spoken about God giving a right to bear arms.

Secondly, There has been only one Supreme Court ruling (United States v. Miller) on the Second Amendment. They sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns.

While I support the 2nd Amendment I also see a valid reason for there to be restriction being placed on those right. As a example I fully support the right of an business owner to post a sign that says NO GUNS allowed. I also support the government's right to restrict the types of firearms a owner owns.

I also think your statement "I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should." Will never come to be.

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I love it. I really do. You state that you support the 2nd amendment then you list a bunch of exceptions that essentially destroy it. Some people just don't know how to think anymore.
That's the "I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but..." crowd I was talking about.
 
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