Beer on the Road
#131
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Suburbs of Phila Pa
Posts: 55
The Ricky Gates Amtrak accident is completely valad to truck drivers
I witnessed the aftermath of rules and regulations passed after 1987. Before that there were no "super coops", you never got asked for a medical card, I drove for 4 years before that and never even got asked for a logbook. There weren't even any drug tests. Everybody in the industry was talking about all the new laws being passed due to the Amtrak accident in Md. Basically back before that, if you weren't doing something really stupid, and you weren't hurting anyone, the law left you alone. For example one time in 85 or 86 I was working on the Jersey pike. I had to go down to the next exit to turn around because they needed me in the northbound lanes. The cops were running a DOT check there and pulled me in. They found a small air leak near my foot valve and my fire extinguisher bracket was broken. They handed me a pink slip and told me to fix the air leak before I left. And to fix the fire extinguisher bracket when I got home and fill out the slip saying I fixed the defects and send it in. That was it, no big deals, no attitudes, no fines, just fix the out of service defect and be on your way. I took out an adjustable wrench and tightened my airline and I was back to work in about 1/2 hour total from the time they stopped me until I was rolling again.
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Joe
#132
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Suburbs of Phila Pa
Posts: 55
Here was what was going on in the late 80's, When they are talking about Bush they are talking about Bush Sr.
A Boost for Drug Testing
Monday, Apr. 03, 1989 By ALAIN L. SANDERS The wreck was the bloodiest in Amtrak's history. On Jan. 4, 1987, a string of Conrail locomotives rolled past warning signals near Baltimore and collided with a high-speed passenger train carrying more than 600 people. The fiery crash killed 16 and injured 176. Public dismay turned to anger when it was revealed that engineer Ricky Gates had been smoking marijuana at the controls of the Conrail train. Gates admitted the drug use and pleaded guilty to manslaughter after a urine test, required by the Government of railroad employees involved in serious accidents, revealed traces of marijuana. The tragedy fueled public support for the Government's expanding program to test employees for drugs. But the proliferation of testing among both public and private workers has spawned legal challenges from civil libertarians and labor leaders who see the antidrug campaign as a dangerous invasion of privacy. Related Articles Test Cases Some 4.2 million federal employees got the word last week on new imposed guidelines governing tests ... Last week the U.S. Supreme Court, in its first rulings on the drug-testing issue, upheld, by a vote of 7 to 2, the constitutionality of the Government regulations that require railroad crews involved in accidents to submit to prompt urinalysis and blood tests. The Justices also upheld, 5 to 4, urine tests for U.S. Customs Service employees seeking drug-enforcement posts. Said Attorney General Dick Thornburgh: "The court recognized that the Government can, and indeed should, take all necessary and reasonable steps to prevent drug use by employees in sensitive positions." The decisions could help the Bush Administration's drive to curb drugs on the job. A 1986 Executive Order by former President Reagan authorizes drug testing throughout the Federal Government. So far, more than 50 agencies, including the Agriculture and Interior Departments, have moved to start up programs. The random, unscheduled urine tests that some agencies use have drawn the fiercest opposition from staff members. No fewer than 14 challenges | are winding their way through appellate courts. Private companies have enthusiastically followed the federal lead in testing. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that 43% of the nation's largest firms, including IBM, AT&T and 3M, have implemented drug-screening programs for job applicants, employees or both. Last week's high-court rulings have no direct legal bearing on most private companies, but the decisions are expected to encourage industry to increase testing. Opponents of Government screening argue that it is an "unreasonable search," barred by the Fourth Amendment. They contend that employees should be tested only if there is good reason to suspect drug use. But Justice Anthony Kennedy, author of both decisions, concluded that in the cases of rail and Customs employees, the Government need not have "individualized suspicion." Train workers, he explained, "discharge duties fraught with . . . risks of injury," and "employees involved in drug interdiction reasonably should expect effective inquiry into their fitness and probity." Justice Thurgood Marshall dissented bluntly: "Compelling a person to produce a urine sample on demand . . . intrudes deeply on privacy and bodily integrity." Normally conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, who joined his more liberal colleagues in dissenting from the Customs decision, was equally sharp: "The Customs Service rules are a kind of immolation of privacy and human dignity in symbolic opposition to drug use." (2 of 2) Some legal scholars worried about the court's direction in future cases. "Will it be limited to safety-sensitive positions or broadened to include any public employee who is a role model?" asked University of Michigan Law Professor Yale Kamisar. Other experts doubted that the court would uphold random drug tests for a broad spectrum of Government employees. "The pattern of votes on the court suggests that as you get closer to mainstream workers, the number of dissenters picks up," observed Columbia University Law Professor Gerard Lynch. Still, testing is likely to spread, and many workers are, to say the least, uncomfortable with the idea. Peter Appelt, a Government employee, had to walk through an office full of people with a little cup in hand to get a promotion. "It was quite embarrassing," he says. "A nurse followed me into the men's room and stood outside the stall." He passed the test, and is now a senior inspector for the Customs Service at New York City's Kennedy International Airport. Edited to add personal commentary at the top and to underline a few points.
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Joe
#133
Ain't that a bitch.....the bureaucrats who make the rules, and work for the government don't want to be subjected to the same test as the "mere likes of the hoi polloi".... gee, go figure... :shock: :? :?
Maybe if they tested them for alcohol and drugs weekly, they would find out why so many of them are piss poor performers in their jobs. But here's a real kick in the ass: When I was in business....in order for me to do business with the VA, the Military, and the Federal Government... I had to certify that my employees were all "drug-free" and further it had to be understood that my employees could be subjected to testing..... Amazing...government employees writing "anti-drug" rules that businesses have to comply with....but the shitheads don't want to be held to the same standards.... :shock: :shock: :x :x
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#134
You know, I stop in and read and never comment anymore and all the same guys are still here and still full of themselves....Go figure....lol
This is STILL the place to come and practice truck stop law and to tell someone what is and is not moral....lol My advice is a REAL driver doesn’t need acceptance from anyone on this board anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So new drivers take heed, the people on CAD are full of crap on the road and more so on CAD forums….lol Back to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#135
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 235
So, you're kicked back in your sleeper halfway through your reset after a tough 62hr week on the road. You just finished your sixth beer in two hours. You certainly cannot drive for at least the next four hours, by regulations, but realistically closer to six due to absorption rates of alcohol.
The phone rings. Its your dispatcher. The dispatcher says hey man I'm sorry for interrupting your break but you have hours and I need a load off the dock NOW! We had a breakdown and cannot afford a service failure on this account. The shipper closes in two hours and you're only forty miles away I need you to hustle over there and get the load off the dock right now. Sorry but you're the only truck I have in the area. (except for the beer this exact scenario happened to me about seven months ago). You think a few seconds and decide honesty is the best policy and say: I'm sorry but I cannot drive because I have been drinking. How long will it take you do update your resume? How long will it take your employer to get something on your DAC? How long before you know the delivery zones for your local Dominos Pizza by heart? I have nothing against anyone who has a few drinks, I have one occasionally myself. I NEVER drink when I am driving. I NEVER drink when I am around my CMV. I Never drink when I may be called into work. These are not moral choices. These are choices I have made to protect... My pilots licence My CDL My ability to earn twice as much as my good friend with a masters degree as a truck driver My houses My lifestyle My freedom Everyone makes choices. Some of us make good ones. Some of us make bad ones. This discussion really comes down to choices. You can do the wrong thing a hundred times and nothing may happen. It only takes once though to end your career or worse. There are drivers in jail right now because they had fatality accidents while over hours. Imagine how much worse it gets if the lawyer for the plaintiff can prove you were drinking.
#136
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Originally Posted by Colts Fan
My opinion (if anyone gives a crap, and if you don't piss off) is that if you drink to get drunk you should probably wait to get home to drink. If you just want to throw a few back and enjoy a ball game or something, I would do it on a 34 hour reset. I would get a hotel room because you never know who's watching you. Drinking on the 10 hour break is way to risky. You don't have much time to metabolize the alcohol.
Me, I'm a weekend only drinker. I don't necessarily drink for the taste. 8)
#137
Originally Posted by Jagerbomber
This is exactly the point, no one is talking about doing it on 10 hour break,
but at the end of the night after a long haul or once you hit your 36hr. break, do you guys stop and get a beer
You may go into a restaurant or bar and drink when you are off duty.
You may not drink within four hours prior to driving a CMV.
if you are shut down for the night
If they'll let you park there for the night;
I can park at a truckstop, go inside and buy a case of beer or whatever and drink it in my truck
Just make sure it doesn't take more than 2 hours and back in your bunk for a 10 hour rest unless you split the berth time.
i had beer on the road alot. I liked to socialize sometimes when i had down time and got plenty of sleep.
You can do this EVEN if you have driven your full 11 hours for the day, and you can CARRY "unopened" alcohol back to your point of shutdown for the night.
truckstops are FULL of trucks with guys having a few beers in the sleeper while watching T.V. on a break.... whether a 10 hour, or a RESET.
WHEN you finish line 4 for the day, you need 10 hours off duty before driving again. You can't drink 4 hours prior to driving, and can't have more than .02 in your system
If I LIKE to have a beer once or twice a week, I am NOT gonna deny my enjoyment of my job
#138
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Again, spinning it any way you feel like to make your point.....Ok Rev. We know you are good at quoting and copying and pasting individual lines from longer statements to try and sway the point in your favor. What really is your point in doing that. You are not proving anything other than the fact that you are just a person that likes to argue with every single thing every body else says. Your rantings against everything Steve Booth posts should be enough of an example to everyone how much you like to blow hot air just to try and be superior and right.
#139
Originally Posted by Jagerbomber
Again, spinning it any way you feel like to make your point.....
#140
Originally Posted by kc0iv
In respect you HAVING alcohol in a CMV. This is answered in http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...805&guidence=Y Question 3.
Question 3: Does the prohibition against carrying alcoholic beverages in §392.5 apply to a driver who uses a company vehicle, for personal reasons, while off-duty?
Guidance: No. For example, an owner-operator using his/her own vehicle in an off-duty status, or a driver using a company truck or tractor for transportation to a motel, restaurant, or home, would normally be outside the scope of this section. Now couple comments to golfhobo directly. (1) While you THINK you are superior and have a greater knowledge than anyone else on this board. YOU are wrong on both accounts. You have [n]either the driving experience [n]or practicable [sic] knowledge that would make you superior to many on this board. Nor do you appear to have a greater educational background than many of us on this board. You have your opinion(s), which is fine, but that doesn't make you in anyway superior or more knowledgeable than others on this board. (2) Your complaint about Joethemechanic and the size of the pictures he posted. I went back and checked his pictures and had not problem. I didn't have to "scroll back and forth" to read any post on this section of the board (Beer on the Road). I also went back and check if there had been any "edits" by Joethemechanic and found there wasn't any "edits." So it would appear the problem is NOT his problem but YOUR problem. I check these with Firefox and Internet Explorer and both programs had no problem. So before you complain maybe you should first verify YOUR system is operating correctly. kc0iv 1) Perhaps YOU think that I think.... :lol: I am WELL aware of my limited time driving a CMV. I am well aware that others have more time and experience at it. Perhaps, you've noted the number of threads I stay OFF of, precisely for that reason! What I AM good at... is English Comprehension. I can't go into how I KNOW this, as it might sound the way you think I think, but it is well documented. And I won't go into my "educational background," as I don't find it particularly relevant to truck driving, nor comprehension. I don't come on here intending to sound "superior" to anyone here. If I see someone misinterpreting the regs or laws, I'll rebut it. If I'm attacked, I'll strike back. 2) I just checked the earlier pages as well, and there is no problem right now with the sizing. I don't know if Joe resized them or removed them, or if I MIGHT have been mistaken. I may have been jumping from one thread to another, and got myself confused. It DOES happen! :wink: But, I've been on this board long enough to KNOW when the text doesn't fit the page.... and WHY! Since Joe hasn't rebutted my contention, nor admitted to it, I have no way of knowing at this moment. If I was WRONG about it, I apologize to JOE. But, I will continue to point it out when I see it, because it aggravates me (and others!) (It happened about the time that someone posted the pic of the big guns... which was correctly sized.) As for "opinions," you are surely right. This whole BOARD is nothing but opinons! I would have thought that was obvious, and didn't require a disclaimer on every post. I suppose I should have a sigline like the REV's! Of course, I realize that his is tongue in cheek. But, when I CITE the "opinions" or guidance by the FMCSA, as you did above, I don't think I should be attacked for being "opinionated." BTW..... since you ONLY cited the guidance above, I am not sure just what YOUR "opinion" concerning it's meaning was. Perhaps, you could further enlighten this poor dumb country boy. It should be obvious, of course, but since the REV cited it without understanding it, I have no choice but to wonder about YOU as well. For THAT, I sincerely apologize. Hobo P.S. Please forgive the corrections made to your post above. I just couldn't HELP myself! :wink: You know.... me THINKING I"m superior and all, with no CREDENTIALS to back it up! :lol: Here's a TIP: When insulting another's intelligence or qualifications, be sure to proofread your comments. :roll: :lol: :wink:
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