Beer on the Road
#121
The point Joe made was that it was the transportation industry and resulted in a lot of microscopes being pulled out and focused on the industry.
Like it or not, public perception ain't your friend. If someone calls your company because they saw you carrying a couple beers to your truck, you're screwed. Period. Heaven forbid you ever have a serious injury or fatality accident with even a trace amount of alcohol in your system or beer cans (empty or full) in your cab. In that case, you're a whole lot worse that screwed. Bottom line, it's just not smart. Save the drinking for your actual "home" time.
#122
What are you Twilight, some kind of teetotaler? :P :lol:
Good point, too bad there are so many that take the professional out of the profession.
#123
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Location: Plainfield IL USA
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The situation that you are bringing up is 3000 miles away from the subject we are speaking about so dont tell me i fall into the category of stupid driver.
I got out of my truck, shot the crap with the guys(without having a cold one), and on the way home got hit. Because the person that hit me (her fault) had a cop for a husband, and because he was there, I got a ticket. Not from the cops, from him. She also got a ticket, not from the cops, from me. Sound strange? It is. The cop that responded to the accident would not write any tickets. This is where the unknown of what can hurt you comes in. The people that hit me knew that in IL, a citizen may write a ticket against another citizen, with the responding cop witnessing it. The responding cop advised me to write a ticket against the woman, or I would automatically be guilty. Then I got to spend $250 to defend myself against a bs $75 ticket because two cops in full uniform showed up to be witnesses for the accident (I knew this would happen, so I hired a lawyer.) Even though I was completely innocent, I lost $250 and a days work over a little fender bender. If you want to sit in your truck and drink beer because it is your DOT given right, go ahead. Just be ready to pay the price when some freak occurrence causes you to spend money to prove your innocence. Like I said in my first post, 9 pages ago, it would be smarter to get a hotel room to spend your reset in if you plan to drink.
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#125
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
If you think that something as shaky as a D.O.T. regulation (which changes every time the wind blows and is interpretated 80 different ways) would save you, you are sadly mistaken. Your company would fire you and toss you to the wolves. Lawyers would then eat you alive. That's the state of the industry and public perception of truck drivers and it happens more times than you know.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a row of Jello shots sitting on my dash. :lol:
#126
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Suburbs of Phila Pa
Posts: 55
DUI For Hangovers in New Jersey
By Lis Wiehl * E-MAIL STORY * PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION superduperphoto.com • E-mail Lis If you were nauseous, had a throbbing headache, debilitating weakness, lack of focus and sensitivity to light, should you be operating heavy machinery? I think not! However, if staying alive isn’t enough of a reason to make sure you’re sober enough to get behind the wheel, the Appellate Division of the Superior Court of New Jersey added another incentive — a DUI for driving with a hangover. The court recently extended the class of persons considered “under the influence” to include not only those in whom drugs are active, but also those suffering from drug hangovers. This means that even if drugs no longer remain in your bloodstream, you could still be arrested for driving under the influence. In my view, prohibiting post-partyers from cruising the streets furthers the purpose of drunk-driving sanctions — keeping dangerous drivers off the road. The case of Franchetta, a 46-year-old businessman, sparked the imposition of this new law. Cops pulled him over after speeding and crossing the road’s center line. Officers described him as sluggish, disjointed and having slurred speech. After failing a series of sobriety tests, cops took Franchetta to a local hospital for a blood test. His tests indicated that he was no longer high, but rather that he was “crashing.” In other words, he had a hangover. Cocaine only remains in the bloodstream for a few hours after ingestion, so although Franchetta had no cocaine left in his blood, tests revealed traces of benzolectamine, a metabolite of cocaine, confirming earlier intake. The court reasoned that although the cocaine was inactive, it was the “proximate cause of his impaired behavior.” Accordingly, the court found Franchetta guilty of driving “under the influence”— not because he was high, but because he was impaired due to his cocaine hangover. The court suspended his license for two years and sentenced him to 30 days of community service. Related “Under the influence” has traditionally been defined as when a substance is pharmacologically active in a person’s system. The New Jersey court clearly has expanded this law’s reach. The defense argues that the court’s newly expanded definition is too liberal and plans to appeal on grounds that conviction under the law requires the drug be active in order to constitute "under the influence." I agree with the appellate court and believe that the laws for driving “under the influence” should be expanded in order to force drivers to critically consider their sobriety before getting behind the wheel. People should always consider their driving capabilities — even after the “high” has worn off. All this law really does is formalize that objective; extending the law will deter party animals from getting behind the wheel unless they’re absolutely certain they’ve sobered up. The worst that can happen from the law’s new broad reach? Drivers will have to pause for a moment and make sure that they’re really sober before operating heavy machinery? Call me crazy, but that doesn’t seem outlandish. Critics of the law’s expansion argue that this holding will lead to incessant liability for drivers, allowing the state to criminalize anything that impairs one’s driving ability the smallest bit. They say the opinion is too open ended with no guidance as to where to draw the line. They think this will open the floodgates leading to criminalization for driving with unavoidable daily nuisances, such as migraines, or even allergies. But these arguments fall flat — nowhere in the opinion does the court leave room for interpretation beyond the holding. The opinion is limited to drug hangovers. The assistant prosecutor of Cape May County explained that the ruling would not likely be extended to even alcohol hangovers, let alone anything else since the after-effects from the two are quite different. However, I would go so far as to say that the law should be expanded to prohibit driving with hangovers from alcohol. That’s just the next logical step. Someone whose reflexes are as severely impaired from an alcohol hangover as they would be from a drug hangover should be kept off the road — they are just not safe. According to statistics of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, in 2005, 43,443 people died in traffic accidents. A disturbing 39 percent of those deaths (that’s 16,885 people!) were alcohol related. Expanding the meaning of “under the influence” would make everyone more cautious before getting behind the wheel. Including hangovers within the meaning of being ‘under the influence’ would resolve a gray area and answer the question many partygoers ask: whether chugging a cup of coffee or taking a nap is enough to purge the drugs or alcohol from their system so that they can legally get behind the wheel. Fortifying the meaning of ‘under the influence’ would settle this debate once and for all. Tonight when your kids are out driving with their friends and you’re considering whether you think this law is a good idea, remember that according to a 2005 study, there is one alcohol-related fatality every 31 minutes and one alcohol related injury approximately every two minutes. So, although the laws thus far have only been expanded in Jersey, criminalizing driving with a drug hangover is a step in the right direction. We gain nothing from allowing people to drive the moment the drug or alcohol doesn’t show up on sobriety tests. Breathalyzers and blood tests shouldn’t be the only way to detect impairment. Even though blowing a high score on a breathalyzer certainly proves intoxication, falling short of such a score does not mean you’re sober. So whether you have the “I shouldn’t have mixed hangover” or the “I shouldn’t have gone out” hangover, you shouldn’t get behind the wheel with any hangover! •E-mail Lis Wiehl http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293820,00.html
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#127
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
The point Joe made was that it was the transportation industry and resulted in a lot of microscopes being pulled out and focused on the industry.
Like it or not, public perception ain't your friend. If someone calls your company because they saw you carrying a couple beers to your truck, you're screwed. Period. Heaven forbid you ever have a serious injury or fatality accident with even a trace amount of alcohol in your system or beer cans (empty or full) in your cab. In that case, you're a whole lot worse that screwed. Bottom line, it's just not smart. Save the drinking for your actual "home" time. I was going to make an explanatory post, but to make a long story short, Twilight Flyer....said what was on my mind, and said it succinctly. My wife swears I am paranoid....and maybe I am a little. But I view it as being "exceptionally cautious". Your CDL is your career, and without it, you have no career in this industry. I choose to protect mine. I can only hope that you work to protect yours as well. 8)
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#128
Ooooops, doppelganger... :shock:
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#129
Originally Posted by Jagerbomber
Seriously man....i just looked this incident up and are you really comparing the 2? This was an Amtrak Train engineer that was smoking pot with his Brakeman beofre the crash happened......how on Earth are you comparing that to chilling out on your time off and having a drink? Thats a far stretch even for someone on this board.
So....if some journalistic hack wants to make waves....all it takes is some creative writing. Consider this: The National Enquirer makes MILLIONS of $$ selling completely bogus and ambiguous "news".....to people who actually believe it. :shock: Personally, I see nothing with having an occasional drink.... I have been known to. But....and this is a very big "BUT".... I have only done it when I know for an absolute certainty that I will be sitting for enough hours that there is no chance of a problem....and I have never taken it anywhere near my truck. I will not touch anything...even when home for at least 12 hours prior to leaving. I'm not going to say you have to do it....just because I do, but I am just suggesting that people use discretion when it comes to alcohol and CMV's. 8)
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Forrest Gump was right....and some people literally strive to prove it.....everyday. Strive not to be one of "them".... And "lemmings" are a dime a dozen! Remember: The "truth WILL set you free"! If it doesn't "set you free"....."it will trap you in the cesspool of your own design". They lost my original "avatar"....oh well.
#130
My opinion (if anyone gives a crap, and if you don't piss off) is that if you drink to get drunk you should probably wait to get home to drink. If you just want to throw a few back and enjoy a ball game or something, I would do it on a 34 hour reset. I would get a hotel room because you never know who's watching you. Drinking on the 10 hour break is way to risky. You don't have much time to metabolize the alcohol.
Me, I'm a weekend only drinker. I don't necessarily drink for the taste. 8)
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