Actually, you would be better off doing 5.5 on, 8 off, 5.5 on, 8 off, etc.

This is the solution that was offered to teams after they changed the rules. Not very practical, though.

 

Hmmm Why is this not pratical?

Member 1 does 5 Member 2 rest .. Member 2 does 5 .. then do 3 - 3 then park truck for 8. Truck moves 16 hours a day and the team gets at least 8 hours quality rest .

I ran this very sucessfully at Watkins Shepard. The only situation I would think this would not work is Team expidited freight. There you just run until you burn out .. :wink:

 

This isn't a very efficient use of a team. A solo driver could do 14 hours a day if he clocked it perfectly. A team is hardly going to make much money running a whopping 2 hours more than a solo driver could - it defeats the purpose of a team.

 

Looks like I need to brush up on my log book rules. the old way for splits was 5 driving 5 in sleeper. I f I am not sadly mistaken its better to just take your 10 hours in the sleeper berth after you have driven for 11 hours, the 14 hour rule used to catch the little off duty times of less than 10 hours alone or not consecutive with a sleeper berth.

 

The teams threw a holy fit when they did away with this.

 

Orangetxguy: Although I commend your cut and paste skills, most of that was unnecessary. Most of us have read it. However, that is NOT the full volume of the HOS regs.

You said:

The "explanation" of the split sleeper rules, and how to log them, do NOT show up in what you pasted. But, they are THERE in the full regs.

Your statement that I highlighted is incorrect. In fact, it is a common mistake CAUSED by the short form of the rules that you quoted at the top of your post. The fmcsa continues to incorrectly use the word "consecutive" in reference to the 10 hour break. This causes A LOT of confusion.

Dawn and I, and the Rev and others, have CORRECTLY quoted and/or explained the regs concerning the 14 hour rule and how the 8 hour S/B time is OFF THE CLOCK. It's very simple. You can drive all 11 at one time and THEN take a full 10 hours off "consecutively." OR, you can drive part of the 11, take either a 2 hour or 8 hour break, then drive the remaining hours and then take the "corresponding" break. An 8 hour S/B break is ALWAYS "off the clock" (when "splitting.) Therefore, you CAN still be driving after the 14th hour after coming "on duty" (following a 10 hour break or 34 hour reset if you take the 8 hour break first.

There's much MORE to this, and I'll be glad to help you understand it if you want. I'm just pointing out that your statement is incorrect, for now.

 

Dawn: In your first reply to Orangetxguy you wrote:

If this is a 'cut and paste,' it is either from the OLD regs, OR they have made another mistake. If this is YOUR paraphrase... then once again, you have misled a driver.

You KNOW that a S/B break of 2 hours, OR LESS, OR more - but not as much as 8 hours - is INCLUDED in the 14 hour clock. It doesn't matter if it is 1 hour or 7.5 hours.... it is ON THE CLOCK. ONLY a full 8 hour break can be "excluded" from the 14 hour calculation.

I THINK.... you meant to type 8 instead of 2 above. THEN... the statement is true.

 

Yep I agree that a solo driver in theory can clock 14 hours a day for 5 days and take the weekend off ... I did not experience this in my irregular long haul over the road trucking experience. Very Very rarely did the moon, stars, and the earth align to keep the truck moving like this. Thus mileage and hours would vary from week to week. Many times I sat in unplanned situations.

Ahhh but with W&S Team:

1. Teams had priority on loads.
2. Teams are paid higher for the same mileage

So ... it is possible to run "dual solo's" and get paid more for the same mileage. Thus I ran team.

I see so many team drivers with that 100 mile stare into nowhere. It is because they never really get good rest in a moving truck. I could keep up a 5-5-3-3-8 pace forever and keep the truck moving still getting 5600 - 6000 Team miles a week being paid at a team rate (3 cpm higher than same miles solo), and always have hours to be able to take a load keeping the truck under load and moving in the system.

BTW) This system has only 9% inefficiency against the 70 hours in 8 day rule. Thus I am only giving up about 10% of potential income to keep myself sane and yes -- safe.

 

Legally, yes you can. But, it doesn't exactly allow you to drive 10 everyday. 5+8=13. do it again and you have 26 hours. Only 24 in a day, so you see how it will "roll" over and you won't always get 10 driving in a day.

The 5.5 and 8 would be better, but the BEST way to maximize your hours is to split log or do it 11 straight/10 break. Who needs 16 hours of sleep a day?? :shock: :lol:

 

I have looked all over and can't find it. It appears that nearly a whole page has been deleted from this thread.... and rightly so!

Apparently, the mods have deleted the whole section where I continued my "fight" with tfmotors and it had degraded to the point that I was calling him "tinymotors." I wasn't aware that this was against the rules, but nevertheless, it was childish... which the Rev correctly pointed out.

I apologize to tfmotors for my childish misuse of his login name, but not really for what I said. He came out of nowhere and lumped me in with Dawn. I am on the fence as concerns Dawn, but I didn't appreciate his comments. I don't necessarily agree that my misuse of his "name" meant I lost the battle, but that doesn't matter. It was unprofessional.

I suppose I am lucky that I didn't receive a "warning." I appreciate that the mods understood that I would get the point. I have "shortened" a login name before for reasons of brevity, but to alterate one out of spite is beneath me (I hope.)

If I am confused, and the posts are still out there, it doesn't matter! My apology still stands. I will try, in the future, to argue with more dignity. I sometimes get carried away on this board, but it IS the best one out there, and I enjoy the mental exercise and comraderie. I do not KNOW tfmotors, and therefore should not have let his comments get to me so personally. I was in the throes of a heated debate with the Rev, who can be MOST aggravating at times.... but I have nothing against HIM, either!

I take FULL responsibility for the other disparaging comments I made about fellow truckers, and apologize to them, as well. I feel that I have contributed quite a bit to this board.... but I GET more than I contribute! Those of you who feel I am but a nuisance and a blowhard are entitled to your opinions. And I'm sorry if you feel that way. It was NOT my intention when I joined here, and will NOT be my focus in the future!

Y'all be SAFE out there! ALL OF YOU. And I hope you continue to enjoy what you are doing! Personally, I've had a ROUGH time of it lately with a team co-driver. I'm going SOLO for a few weeks to clear my head. It may not make me any "prettier," but I hope it will make me a bit more "at ease."

Hobo