If anything, this could be good for us in dealing with Israel and the West Bank/Gaza mess. We have been trying to reign them in from purposely stirring up trouble there and it has not been working. Mubarak could care less in jumping into that fray but the people of Egypt want Israel to knock it off. If the people get their way, Egypt will help us in getting Israel to chill out. It could eventually leave us with an even stronger ally than Israel also even though no one should ever cross them. The Suez Canal will not be closed, you may have to pay to use it like a toll road but it will stay open. Egypt isn't dumb, they will not close it off to the rest of the world because then it does nothing for them.

 

Mr. Ford said:

You are dangerously close to sounding like a Liberal here, my friend. You should know by now that opposing Israel is "Anti-American" according to the Conservative HAWKS. :lol:

From what I am hearing, the Egyptian "people," who WILL prevail in this crisis, recognize and appreciate the PEACE they have with Israel, but also support the cause of the Palestinians. A more 'democratic' administration in Egypt MIGHT be more persuasive with Israel. I hope so. I don't know exactly WHY America is so pro-Israeli, but I'm getting a bit tired of it myself!

A "two state" solution is the ONLY thing that will work as I see it. But, two states cannot occupy the SAME land without ENORMOUS changes in political thinking and influence.

I have always thought that Jordan should give up some land for the Palestinian cause. Perhaps, the NEW Egypt will. But, even THAT will never be enough! The Palestinians MUST have access to Jerusalem, but they must be "guided" into a peacefull solution by more moderate Arabic countries and cultures.

It is also extremely important, at this time, that America be seen as even-handed with all parties. Israel has its OWN problems in the region due to ancient prejudices. But, America's problems are almost ENTIRELY due to what is seen as "one-sided" support for them!

If OBAMA gets this right.... we will have MANY more allies in the Arabic/Muslim world! The younger generation (which constitutes about 70% or more of all Arab/Muslim nations,) are just as tired of this chit as WE are! They want democratic "access" to their governance. They want economic reforms and less corruption. And Al-Quaida and their ILK are losing support by the day!

I'm pretty sure we've ALWAYS had to pay to use it.... as has every OTHER country in the world. Interestingly, the Israeli's have now ALLOWED the Egyptian military to move forces into the Sinai penninsula for the first time since it was demilitarized after the 67 war. They WANT the Egyptian military to maintain civil control over the area, AND to prevent a radicalization of the border tunnels and such. [And to keep the Suez Canal open.]

Wow.... co-operation between the Jews and the Arabs already! :lol:

I think this is an exciting moment in World affairs. I remain optimistic. I KNOW the tinder is dry and the spark is bright. But, I have always loved a bonfire! I truly believe that the flame will burn bright but UNDER CONTROL. Not necessarily under OUR control.... but, under the control of educated and rational minds.

I could be wrong, but I believe this is the most ANTI-apocalyptic event in modern world history.

 

With the exception of some looters and vandals, this does seem to be a more civil demonstration than some in the past in other countries. I hope it stays civil. It would be a shame to have a civil war in Egypt. Unless the military starts using force, it is likely to stay civil. It doesn't look good for Mubarak. The way it seems, he is on the way out. I hope that the Muslims don't get a strong foothold in their politics. They are likely to be a strong force. It would be much better for Egypt and the rest of the world if the new regime were secular.

 

I looked up those words you suggested, all the search results yielded were pictures of Democratic campaign rallies and mindless robots chanting, "Si, se puede!"

 

I've been dumbfounded by that situation Hobo. Supposedly all these other Arab countries are so sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, in particular Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. They are sooooo concerned with what Israel does to them and how Israel goes about dealing with them but they won't give them some land to form their own state. I guess weapons are enough? Risk Israel taking a pot shot at you for giving them weapons is better than giving up some land and bringing peace to everyone. Real bright.


He's definitely doing the right thing right now with the current situation. We are showing goodwill towards the people by getting on Murbarak's case for limiting internet and such from the people. That will go a long ways with the people of Egypt, it shows we are siding with them in a way. At the same time, if Murbarak somehow survives this revolution, we aren't being that much of rear posterior's towards him. Good political talk we have going, playing both sides of the fence nicely.


And that is why it will stay open. Wasn't sure myself if anyone paid to use it. They aren't going to cut off that income since it's a huge shortcut for European bound ships and vice versa.


This could/should be right up there with the fall of the Berlin Wall if all goes down as many think will happen. It definitely opens up a new Mid-East.

 

RIGHT.... and you are now EXCUSED from any further discussions on this thread. Here's a HALL PASS. Go smoke your chit in the bathroom like you did during HISTORY class in High School. :roll:

This is My thread, and I don't tolerate ignorance very well. Nor Racism. You apparently have not ONE THING to say that I would care two chits about. And BTW.... I KNOW you are lying about looking up those words. :hellno: You haven't got the B@lls to do so!

But, you CONTINUE to prove my point! :thumbsup::lol2::eek2:

 

Speaking of Jordan, read today on USA Today that they are having unrest there as well. The King, King Abdullah has sent his entire Cabinet packing supposedly after several peaceful protest demonstrations by the people of Jordan........seems the entire region is unstable. Something about corruption there as well, looks like a theme that the people are fed up with. Guess they want some of what the Iraqi people have now now that they've seen how it's working(granted it's not even near the level of us but it's better than what they had.) No more corruption, no more fighting?

 

You say that you don't tolerate ignorance... how about your own ignorance, such as when you started a thread after the Arizona shooting titled "Looks like we have a conservative terrorist" or something similar to that. Dude, you totally jumped the gun on that one, as did 99% of all libs out there. Before Giffords even arrived at the hospital, people like YOU were already blaming Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh Glenn Beck and the tea Party folks for what happened. No, Hobo... the shooter was not a conservative, in fact he had more in common with your average Bush-hating/9-11 Truther nuts, but then we just found out he was a crazy loner who had been stalking Gabrielle Giffords for years and didn't care about politics. But I haven't heard you retract your "chit" or admit that you spoke before you had all the facts. Go to the dictionary and look up the meaning to "Premature", "Unfounded", "Jumping the Gun" and "Speaking from a position of Ignorance"
We had libs on the internet posting videos proclaiming that they were relieved to hear that the shooter was a "gringo"... you're telling me that's not racist? We didn't hear from you about that! And how do you know that I'm not Hispanic? You just instantly assume that because I have conservative views that I'm white. Now, THAT is racism. If a trucker posts his favorite recipe on enchiladas, would you assume he's Mexican? Or if one of us here said we love fried chicken and watermelon, would you assume we were black? Probably so, because as a liberal, you see groups, not indiviuduals. FYI... I love enchiladas and chicken and watermelon, and my father's mother was born in Mexico!
And, no, I didn't look it up, because... frankly, I really just don't care! I know Egypt and the Suez Canal don't belong to us. The point I was originally making was that Obama is just as much a lousy president as Carter was. And yes, I know we didn't "loose" the Panama Canal, Carter gave it back to Panamanians... which was a huge mistake! Carter's weakness and ineptness played a MAJOR factor in Iran falling to radical Jihadis and if he had been re-elected, our American Hostages would have been there till 1985... or longer.
I'm guessing that you must be retired because no working trucker would have this much free time to post such long diatribes and then critique replies to his nonsense one sentence at a time. My average time here is about 10 minutes a day (except for today). My advice to you is, turn off the computer and go find something productive to do. Take your grandkids to the park or go buy a 57 Bel-Aire and start a project.

 

Actually, Hobo didn't start that thread Southron, that was Kentla.

As for the rest, carry on.

 

Once again i agree with Gman. I like secular governments wether abroad or at home. We no need to be aware of the age old tactic of having secret police agitating and posing a pro- mubarak protesters and thugs supressing the media including burning down the Al-jezeera office in cairo that is to thank for the majority of the footage we have seen on our tvs. Without the media to shine a light on the situation the secret police will be able to run unchecked and we will see deathsquads :/

WTF u talking about who are the radical terrorists taking over Egypt???? cry wolf a little more, will ya?!