Mubarak in "de Nile!"
 

Wow! Things are changing FAST around our little empire!

No links.... I'm sure you've all seen footage or heard about it.

I think it will be a GOOD thing. And they will have free and "monitored" elections in Sep. No chance in Hades that the Islamic faction (Muslim Brotherhood?) would WIN a free election there.

I might even allow his son... the heir apparent... to be on the ballot! [But NOT the father/current president.]

IF the young, educated, middle class of Egypt rises up and demands a PEACEABLE "change" to a democratic form of government, they will make me extremely proud! [and optimistic.]

IF that happens... I will expect all American citizens to give Obama a little credit for his speech there in 2009. However.... and here's the SHOCKER...

I will give Pres. George (Dubya) Bush a HUGE amount of credit!! :eek2::eek2:

He made NUMEROUS speeches during his "reign" that inspired this "class" of educated MUSLIM people throughout the MidEast and the World to aspire to this level of personal freedom!

And although I still (and forever will) disagree with him about the necessity, wisdom and COST of his "War on Terrorism" ... and especially his "foray" into IRAQ....

I feel that, today... in this situation in Egypt.... it POSSIBLY bears fruit. :lol:

I honestly believe that the people demonstrating in Egypt are demanding something they've always HEARD about, but have only recently SEEN in the STRUGGLING "democracy" we imposed on their neighbor Iraq.

Bush DID believe strongly, and often tout/predict, that a "regime change" in Iraq and the "example" of an Arabic - MUSLIM "democracy" would create political CHANGE in the region. I believe he MAY turn out to be right on that one. :bow::hellno:

Hehe... I bet SOME of you never thought you'd hear me say THAT! :lol:

Those who pray... please do so. And those who don't... please cross your fingers, toes, legs, arms and whatever ELSE you "commie pinko liberals" DO.... that this turns out as well as I BELIEVE it will!

I'm sure somewhere Sarah Palin is thinking.... WTF???? :smokin:

But, I think Bush is smiling.

Hobo

Not to mention the folks in Yemen are also apparently starting to rise up after seeing Egypt follow suit with Tunisia. Imagine the former Tunisia leader's thoughts right now, he scurried to Egypt for safety and now Egypt is out of control. Having Egypt rise up like this in that region is very good if they become more of a democracy. They are a regional power over there.

Mr. Ford said:

I don't know much ABOUT the government in Yemen. I HAVE heard rumblings of a revolution there but haven't seen anything on the news. They are somewhat helping us in the "war on terror," but... not sure how much I trust them.

:rofl: Too funny. I didn't KNOW that is where he fled to!

Well, that was the thought behind my post, but.... let's be careful what we wish for! Democracy can be a dangerous weapon in the hands of an uneducated, religiously controlled, and oppressed people. The birth of America is a prime example! :lol:

Although I don't believe the 1/3rd of the country that is "influenced" by the Muslim Brotherhood would gain total power, they WILL end up with recognized seats of representation for "their" people.

90% of the population is Muslim. Will 51% want to maintain the peace with Israel? [I believe so.] What will they do about the fillibuster?

Can you IMAGINE the massive "redistribution of wealth" from the Mubarak "kingdom" to the "entitlement" society that currently lives below the "new" legislated poverty level?

Wait.... is that "socialist?" or democratic policy?

They certainly ARE! Armed almost entirely with U.S. Weapons Systems. EQUAL to the Israeli systems that we ALSO sold THEM! And the Saudis! No WONDER the Iranians are nervous!

Yes, I read a report the other day, might have been on Yahoo UK that was talking about unrest in Yemen growing after seeing how Tunisian and now Egyptian revolutions were going. I'm with you on Yemen, I'd rather nothing happen there. The current leadership is very keen on keeping us happy and playing ball, we have them by the balls basically after the Cole attack and other incidents within their country against US interests. They have no choice but to work with us, look who is to their North and West, The Saudi's and Oman. Both work very closely with the US so Yemen is on their own if they try to work against us. The people want a change though, rebels in the North and al-Qaida factions popping up everywhere are apparently fueling the unrest.

In Egypt the people are fed up with what they call complete corruption and want change. I don't think we see a true democracy like we have tried to place in Iraq and Afghan. The people are very happy if the military taker over the whole country due to their goodwill over the years.

I'll just be glad when that mess is over with as my daughter's father-in-law in Texas works in Egypt on oil rigs. Talked to her today and she said he and his crew is being moved to a military base where they think they'll be evacuated tomorrow (Monday). I sure hope so as Tommy is one helluva good guy and we don't want anything to happen to him. They live near Austin, Texas and I'll be glad when he's back in the Lone Star State. He's also the man responsible for making me a Texas Longhorns fan so HOOK 'EM HORNS!!

OK. Who kidnapped hobo? I know this poster can't be hobo. He is giving GW credit for something positive. Nope, it can't be our hobo. Who are you and what have you done with hobo?

I am sorry to hear that your daughter's father in law was caught in this situation. It sounds like he is being protected. I am sure that he will be fine. Let us know when you hear that he is safe.

Carter presided over the loss of Iran to radical terrorists and then he lost us the Panama Canal. Obama is presiding over the loss of Egypt to radical terrorists and will loose us the Suez Canal. Will Obama be 3 for 3 and usher in the next Ronald Reagan? One and done!

In an attempt to keep the 'new' Hobo available for discussion, I will not respond in the manner I would LIKE to. However....

Carter didn't "preside over" the Iranian revolution. He had the unfortunate duty of BEING president when the Iranian people had had enough of the brutal dictatorship and corruption of the Shah (that EARLIER American administrations had propped up and supported for decades.)

He did not "LOSE" the Panama Canal. The 99 year lease ran out UNDER his watch, and he honored the treaty under which we had built and operated the canal in a foreign country. Would you have preferred that we reneged on said treaty and went to WAR over it? We still use it every day. It was not "lost."

[As I am typing this, I am seeing the "discussion" on FoxNews that is the BASIS of your ridiculous claims. Word for word.... right off the FoxNews channel! You have proven the point I've been trying to make for months/years now!]

Back to the discussion:

WE are not "losing" Egypt! We don't OWN Egypt! :hellno:

Obama is "presiding" over America DURING the predominantly PEACEFUL transition of Egypt into a more "democratic" nation.... AS DUBYA planted the seeds for! And he is getting high marks from BOTH sides for how he is handling it. Almost NO ONE expects the outcome of this revolution to be an "Anti-American" Islamist State.

And we will not, CANNOT, "lose" the Suez Canal as we NEVER, EVER, had anything to DO WITH IT. It was a Franco-Egyptian enterprise.

You should REALLY do some google research before spouting off with the latest BIAS being spewed on FoxNews! [But, then your type NEVER do.]

And while you're at it.... look up the definitions of Gullible, Maleable, Impressionable, and Susceptible.

It is indeed "I" Gman! The CENTRIST. :lol:

As I've said several times, the "me" you see on most threads is the "defense attorney" for the Democratic Party. I have started VERY FEW threads of my own here, and it seems that ONLY then can I show my true moderate nature and political views.

I don't have a laptop and 10+ hours OFF every night or you might have seen MORE of "me." ;)

I will admit that, in the past, I have used the terms Bush, Dubya, GOP, Republicans and Conservatives pretty much "interchangeably," and that probably wasn't fair to ANY of them/you.

There were/are some things I liked about Dubya, but he was the figurehead for the administration and party that I find to be "anti-Middle Class." Since he is gone now, and the GOP continues to wage class warfare in America, it is only fitting that I be more specific in the future.

But, that doesn't mean that it wasn't "all his fault!" :lol::lol: