I don't believe that most people are as stupid as you seem to think they are.

 

razorwyr said:

Noted. I have GOT to get used to these "location" tags on messageboards. Questions.... if you don't mind. Did you tell us your age? And WHAT took you to Meridian?

I said:

Just for the record.... this statement was about how EVEN if a large number of Americans were "united" in their fervor over GUN rights, and MANY of them might be military persons (as you said,) I personally don't believe they could overpower the U.S. Military and their supplies.

You said:

Yes, I'm not going to argue semantics. THAT is the argument that GMAN and other deniers of the "slave issue" use. :lol: But, the more I read... the MORE I see that it was ONLY about "States' Rights" concerning SLAVE holding and trade.

That is a good argument.... but, I believe it's wrong. Fact is.... German schools teach the truth about the Holocaust and the failings of the Third Reich. They teach people to accept that their history included a very dark period, and that the CURRENT Democratic society is better. I MUST give them credit for this.

Don't worry.... I WILL! :lol::lol2:

There are actualy at LEAST two separate questions here. Was the Union in violation of its own constitution? And WAS there a "secession clause" in the constitution? I have to admit that I am currently researching this. I don't have an immediate answer.

Tonight I read the declarations of Secession by the few Southern states that actually made such. I have to admit there were some interesting arguments about States' rights.... but, if you want to read them, you will see what I said earlier. The focus was ENTIRELY upon Slavery. Their OWN declarations said very little if ANYTHING about any textile trade or other reasons. In fact, it is accepted that the ONLY "State's Rights" that concerned them WAS that of Slavery and "repatriation" of escaped slaves.

Declaration of Causes of Secession

The prejudice and audacity of "Aryan superiority" is breathtaking! [Makes me chuckle about how OBAMA is compared to Hitler... when THESE guys were the real "genesis" of the beliefs that led Hitler to search for a "final solution." nearly a hundred years later!]

The Texans were explicit beyond all decorum:



But, Mississippi gets RIGHT DOWN TO the crux of the matter, and with no apologies, supports my claim without purpose of evasion....



Are they KIDDING me?? :hellno::roll:


I would LIKE to give them credit for their Constitutional arguments, and legal prowess.... but, their ignorance, religious self-justification, and INHUMANITY just makes me want to PUKE! :hellno:issedoff:

 

You'd be surprised.

How about learning how to separate quotes out of a post? If the Rev was still here, he'd be all over your butt about it.

Don't worry.... I'll do the extra work for you. [as I do for GMAN.]

Reb "inbedded" the following:

Quote:

How so? It doesn't say that he even wounded any of them. Actually, it didn't even say that he was trying to shoot any of them. He scared them off and prevented his house from being robbed.

Actually, razorwyre said:

I was not replying to the facts of the article, but rather razorwyre's remarks, when I stated that, under HIS supposition, WHOEVER was intruding would be DEAD. Had they been teenagers out for fun.... well...

Oh, BTW.... I wonder if he could have scared them off with a small string of firecrackers? I know it sounds silly. How about a recording of him saying "get out of here" followed by the sound of a gun firing? I'm not saying I would use this method.... but, it seems as if it would have had the same results.

 

Hobo said:Popping my head in for a second to point something out that should be glaringly apparent, but gets lost in the argument about who has the bigger guns.

You are assuming, my friend, that the United State military would stand pat with a president (ANY president) that declares war on the citizens of this nation - mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, and friends. I like to think that our armed forces are not a bunch of mindless automations. Put into a situation where they are being ordered to fire on and kill their family and friends and we would have that military coup you mentioned a couple of weeks ago.

The civil war was one thing...it was one side against another. The north wasn't worried about killing their family and friends...they were all on their side. Same with the south. It was almost like one nation against another - there is no problem firing on the 'enemy', then or now.

Small scale uprisings and pockets of armed revolt are another thing - you would see American troops quelling those pockets with an eye to the greater good - stability for this country.

However...and this is where the line gets crossed...in the event of a full armed uprising in this country - which is not a far-fetched scenario by any means these days - I would be willing to lay odds that the majority of the armed forces would side with the citizens, of which they and their family and friend are. They are not going to see their friends and family as the 'enemy' and it would not be one side against another. It would be the government against the citizens and that's an entirely different scenario.

Sure, there would be the share of Francis' that would be screaming 'I'll kill ya!' as they did just that. But by and large, it won't be the American military fighting a full-scale war against their own fellow citizens...it would be foreign troops fighting under the jurisdiction of the UN at the behest of an embattled president and they would be fighting against 70 million armed citizens backed by MOST of the United States armed forces.

That's a possible scenario that is very real today and one with very real ramifications that should chill everybody that is an American citizen. And this isn't a shot at the current Catastrophe-in-Chief - he just happens to be the one in the spotlight right now as he is viewed by more and more people as the 'enemy' of their freedoms and their country. But it could be any president, republican or democrat or otherwise. The point is, just because they serve at the behest of the C&C today, does not mean they are going to mindlessly follow his (or her) orders and kill their friends and family to save a corrupt government tomorrow.

 

BTW. the word is mischievous NOT mischievious. You seem to have an awful lot of time to research and rant on here, out of work again?

 

:clap::clap::clap::clap::rofl:

 

RebelDarlin said:

As someone once said, the "n" and the "m" are very close together on the keyboard. (although HE claimed the "B" .... which takes a different FINGER was close to the "M.") I sometimes type faster than I can read, and make mistakes. I've made alot of them lately. :hellno: I assure you I know the correct spelling and usage of the word.

Hmm.... seems a little small.

Without revisiting his quote, I'm quite sure he said something like, "there would be a few less criminal minds on the street had his aim been better."

Now, you could be right.... they MIGHT have gotten a free pass to a hospital in the carribean (sp).... but, I think everyone here EXCEPT you understood what he meant. :hellno:

Typing without proofreading are we? :roll::hellno:

Interesting enough.... it turns out he didn't fire IN THEIR DIRECTION. He fired "into the air." I sure hope he didn't have a daughter sleeping in the room above him! :eek2:

I've always thought that just the sticker in the window about the house being protected by Smith and Wesson should do the trick. However.... in THIS case..... I'll bet a recording of a VERY angry Doberman would have had the same effect.

You know? I actually changed that one twice! I sometimes have trouble with all those vowels, and was TOO lazy to look it up. :roll:

Nope. Just not on the phone as much as I used to be. :thumbsup:

YOU seem to have an awful lot of extra time lately, too. You haven't been on here for awhile and now you show up. What happened?? Lose YOUR job as a "CDL instructor?"

 

Is this a lovers quarrel? I thought you two were an item?

 

Actually, I believe being a CDL instructor might give her a bit more time than she used to have. But she sure has changed. I miss the "hips" swinging on Betty Boop. Always used to give my heart the excersize.:lol::clap::thumbsup:

 

Hobo said:
I hinted at my age, but no, I never actually stated. I just turned 27 last week. I took a job for a company after I got out of the Marine Corps that went through several rounds of layoffs. I made it through the first two, but before the third round came and I knew my job was inevitably in jeopardy I sat down with my better half and had a talk. Her family is all from here and she was 8 months pregnant at the time so it seemed like the right time to move. I took a job with a company I had worked for while in the Marine Corps a few years. They have made about 15 promises to me, dating back from before I accepted the job until maybe a week or so ago, that they have not followed through on. I don't mind if plans change or things don't work out, but don't lie to me and don't keep coming to me about how you are going to do this and do that if you aren't going to do it. I would just rather they not say anything at all than lie to me. So now, I have decided to sit down and actually go get my CDL like I planned on several times, but obviously haven't done over the last 6 years. My class starts Aug 11 and is 8 weeks long so I will be done around October 6. I know that was more than you asked for but I figure that is kind of what you were wanting to get at.....now back to topic....

Hobo said:
All of the schools I attended throughout my childhood and even the few college history classes I took, I can honestly say, not one of them actually supported slavery and disliked the fact the southern states were slave states. I am personally not a major history buff, but I would like to know who took up arms first. Not necessarily who fired the first shot, but which side decided to march on the other side first and unless both sides were going to fight over, how did they know to protect themselves? Again, I am not history buff, so that may be common knowledge and I am just an idiot, who knows? My point is, who started the actual war? That would determine if my classes (most of which I probably day dreamed about math or something crazy like that during) supported the cause as a whole. I know the teachers, as do I, supported the idea of sticking up for one's beliefs, no matter how radical they may appear. However, like I said, they never deviated from the history of the south as it pertains to slavery. It was a dark time in southern history and American history, but it happened.


I would like to know if you ever found the answer to those questions. I know what I've been told, but I must admit, I am too lazy to go research the answers for myself.


Very good point, but the true police officer knows how the criminal thinks, so they would have been waiting for them on the corner. The corner of which they would never have gone to because they would know the cops would be there. The cops of course knew that they would think that......we could do this all day and it still wouldn't matter, because to clarify what I was saying since apparently someone didn't get the memo, they would not have walked, or ran or "skated" out of the house for that matter. I would not have missed my target and the coroner's van would be out front. Proper training, however, includes target identification, knowing if they are armed, "mischievous teenagers," or what have you, in that split second before dropping them where they stand. I only lock my doors now because the old lady feels better about it, but I have ALWAYS stated, "I don't care who comes into my house, I don't need to lock my doors, but you better hope you are supposed to be there because I get to pick and choose who leaves."