I have been looking for a link on it and will continue to look. As for now, I have not found one, but I have in the past so this boggles my mind. Alabama seceded from the Union on January 11, 1861 in Montgomery, Alabama, listed at the link below.

Southern States Order of Succession

I am going to look a little longer and will repost if/when I find a link to the absence of Alabama. I have found several that stated it DID rejoin the Union, however, every site that states that has a different date for when it rejoined, so I'm not sure how accurate the information is. Also, all of those sites state that there were only 11 states that seceded, when in fact there were 13. The two they leave off continuously are Missouri and Kentucky, which I have found supporting information on that. I guess I actually do have to do research for a change now since I made such a bold claim, however, I have indeed found this information in this past, the only question is how reliable was my source before.

 

Nope, must be a myth, everything I see says Alabama rejoined the USA in 1868. They would have had to rejoin in order to have US Senators and the likes in Washington DC.

 

Might better find us a link on THIS info, too. From your own source site, I found this info to back up what I have always heard.... that Kentucky was a neutral state, with Union outposts that were attacked by Confederate armies.

Confederate Heartland Offensive/ Kentucky Campaign

Don't know about Missouri, but I can't imagine all these Civil War sites would somehow "mistakenly" forget about 2 whole states IF they had published a declaration of secession.

 

Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware were the 5 border slave states that did not secede, they stayed in the Union but called themselves neutral.

 

You know, on a lighter note, my son does an absolutely spot-on George Bush impersonation, Hobo. He’d have you in stitches.
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And I imagine that quite a few of them would label the current government as a DOMESTIC enemy. You seem to forget that in your liberal-leaning centrist beliefs (I am meeting you halfway here), that your view is not shared by everyone. Many people (including a whole helluva lot of military personnel) see the government as damaged, perhaps beyond repair. And that number is growing

Yes, yes, we know. The Civil War was a long time ago and as far as I know, Lincoln isn’t around giving Bam Bam any advice.
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As to what exactly would happen, it’s pure speculation on either side. I say they won’t fire on American citizens and maybe you do, too. And I totally agree that it would be pure chaos.

What makes you think that the generals wouldn’t be spearheading a very public attempt at removing a criminal? Far-fetched yes (there’s a book in it somewhere), but I mention it to make the point that those HIGHLY placed generals would probably be thinking the same thing those assault rifle toting grunts are thinking, in the event that the president ordered a full-scale attack on the citizens of this country.
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And of course, there is the Christmas story back in World War I where Allied and German troops had a cease-fire, climbed out of their trenches, and shared Christmas together, before going back to fighting and killing each other the next day.

Point I was making is that the north vs. the south was nearly the equivalent of two separate countries – really was, considering the southern states had seceded and had they been victorious in the war, would have likely created a new nation. In other words, binding ties aside, it would have been a whole lot easier for the two sides to fight each other than the direction we are going today.

Again, if it came to an all-out armed conflict between our government and her citizens TODAY, you are going to find that by and large, American troops are not going to go to war against their friends and families.
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I’ll stop you there on that point. I’m not talking about an all out gun-ban. That would just be a small part of the whole that pushed the citizens of this country over the edge. There’s a lot of ingredients in that boiling pot right now.

This is what I wanted to touch on. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. We’ve got a whole boatload of troops out there fighting against a bunch of terrorists that really don’t care much about WHO they kill, as long as they can kill a few American soldiers at the same time. If 50 or 60 innocents people die at the same time, so be it. Works for them. They are fighting with outdated weapons, against a superior fighting force, they live like cockroaches, and most of them are trucked in from neighboring countries to take up the fight.

Now, do you honestly think that 70 million well-armed and well-stocked American citizens, fighting on their own property for their own family, friends, and freedoms, would not be much of a contest?

Talk about delusional. :roll:
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Oh give it a break. Stirring the pot is done on both sides and the liberals and supporters of the criminals in charge are not lily-white.

An armed attempt to disarm American citizens would result in that full scale war. I don’t think your boy in the White House is an idiot – I think everything he does is coldly calculated to give him exactly what he’s looking for. And I think that more and more people are waking up to that fact. So unlike you, I do not believe it is a far-fetched scenario. We already know that the VOTE isn’t going to fix things – it’s the VOTE that got us into the mess we are currently in. Like you, I HOPE the vote could get us started digging out of it and I have high hopes that a lot of slimeballs are going to be given their walking papers in November. But I don’t know if it’s going to fix things – there is such a thing as going over the edge or past the point of no return and I think we have finally moved beyond that point.

You don’t remember the movie “Stripes”? Francis was the guy that kept telling everyone he would kill them. “If you touch my stuff…I’ll kill ya! If you touch me…I’ll kill ya!” That’s where the saying “Lighten up, Francis” came from.
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One man’s delusion is another man’s truth.

Would you be your life on that? I wouldn’t.

Again, I don’t share your opinion. I think about through recent history at the different presidents that we had and even those that I did not like, I could never see them getting the population stirred up like the current POTUS. I cannot picture them turning to the UN for help stomping down on the citizens of this country, either. But I can see the current POTUS doing that and doing so quite easily. Perhaps that’s what stirs me up so much against this guy – he is so blatantly anti-American that it’s downright scary. And just because YOU cannot see that, doesn’t mean that he isn’t. It just means that you haven’t yet opened your eyes.

I play few video games and watch ZERO news. I prefer to get my news in readable form from various sources from BOTH sides of the political fence and I do just that. It allows me to see things more clearly and make better decisions based on what I am seeing.
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Again, you might be surprised at what MOST Americans believe today and even more so when you realize that you are in a shrinking minority.

In the first place, we are already under a tyrannical government. It’s just in feel-good mode right now. And yes, I feel that things have gotten so bad that something has to give.

I don’t know where you are getting the idea that I think this is all over gun rights?!? If the government decided to come after the firearms of this nation’s citizens, it would erupt into nationwide violence. I don’t believe there is any doubt about that. But gun control being the catalyst here? Have you been paying attention for the past 18 months? The laundry list of what the current disaster-in-chief has destroyed in this country is pages and page long and growing and people are fed up. At this point, it’s no longer a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN. If you don’t share that belief, that’s fine – it’s your right because at this moment, you have the freedom to feel that way. But mark my words, when the time comes that MY rights to think and do as I please are curtailed, then so will yours…unless, of course, you’re just planning on being a Bam Bam Yes Man. Then you’ll probably get a free pass.

Then you’re not paying attention.

That being said, I double-dog dare you to come try and squash me. Now imagine 70 million plus saying the same thing.
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Again, you aren’t paying attention, then. And I never said it WILL lead to revolution. I have said that it's quite possible, even likely. Whether it gets to that point is going to hinge greatly on what happens in the next 5 months.

It’s about government in general. I have never been big on government…as long as I live my life the right way and pay my taxes (to a reasonable extent), then government needs to leave me the FLOCK alone. However, the thing that government has become today is far from what our founding fathers envisioned for this country. Now, I’m pizzed off, a sentiment being repeated by tens of millions of American citizens every day. It’s not just a disenfranchised populace anymore. It’s real life people feeling they have been pushed to the limit and are ready to fight back.
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I always do.

Relevant to then; irrelevant to today.

One would hope not. But my arguments have not been based on that, either. That’s only a small piece of the Jenga stack…maybe the piece that brings the tower down, but a single piece nevertheless.

And why is that? Because you don’t feel that way? I’ll say it again…you haven’t been paying attention. Look, just because it hasn’t happened before, doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen. That’s a fool’s argument. There are reasons that the Tea Party has risen so quickly and to such strength – it’s because people have had enough and are done being pushed around by big government. You should zip the lip for a while and start listening to what those on the other side of the fence are saying. Find out WHY they are so mad and to WHAT extent they will act to change things. You might be surprised (and chilled) at what you might discover.

I disagree completely. I don’t see the MAJORITY of our armed forces obeying a president that orders them to exterminate their family and friends. Over the past 6 months, I’ve had this discussion with a number of military people, including a couple that support Bam Bam. Their feelings on the matter did not surprise me at all – they mirror my own. And it’s a feeling that appears to be widely shared by military personnel.

Well, if we had a representative form of government, then we could get to work on fixing things, right? But we do NOT have a representative government and haven’t had one for over 18 months. I’ve been saying this for a number of years…when the pendulum swings too far to one side, half of America is no longer heard. And if things continue on their current course, we’ll see that pendulum swing the other way in November and then completely knock the scales over in 2012. Where will YOU be then? Same place I am today.

The only question remaining is, who is going to fire the first shot?

 

Hobo must be rubbing off on you TF to make a long azz post like that.:lol:

 

What are you talking about, Mackman? Twilight has ALWAYS been a "closet" Windbag! He just felt shackled by I.B. :lol::lol:

But, I have to admit that I now understand some of the complaints from those who MIGHT want to respond to one of MY posts... but, just don't have the TIME! :eek2::lol2:

 

I have recently read some about the "border states," but didn't know exactly which ones they were. Having done some historical research recently on Kentucky, I was aware that they at least "strove" for neutrality. Thanks for the info, Mr. Ford.

You gotta "feel" for these states who were, essentially, caught in the middle.

Dubya told the World that they either had to be WITH us... or AGAINST us. (Had to squeeze that in.) But, it's interesting that during the Civil War, there were states who clearly stated they would NOT choose a side! Of course, their lands were ravaged anyways! (to some extent.) :hellno:

 

Mackman said:I do that for Hobo and to see how many times Windy has to go take a potty break.

And Hobo:The only shackles with IB was having to take a neutral stance in any dork-swinging manly men fights. Now I can pull up a chair and pop some popcorn.

You know you love it...anyone can give a 5 second sound bite. A long thoughtful posts gives you something to think about - someone that can answer your posts with like-minded posts from the other side of the aisle makes you work; makes you think before you reply.

I many not agree with you on many things, but I read your posts, even the long ones. Some of the time, I may think you've gone off the deep end. But I still read what you have to say.

 

I agree, and what I see happening, is this Executive Branch does not care about the Congressional elections this fall. Obama knows he already has unlimited power. He could care less who is keeping/loosing their seat. I'm also seeing the Judicial Branch in the cross hairs, and will soon be made as useless as Congress. (IMO for all you hobos)