The same thing happened during WW1 and 2. Several European countries declared neutrality only to become occupied by Germany. A few then decided to take up arms and fight back instead of being an occupied neutral but some stayed neutral. Heck, we were neutral in WW2 until Japan attacked us. We told all our European friends we were going to sit that one out but once Japan attacked us we did what other neutral's had done in the past, took up arms and fought back.

 

I don't think Obama even "thinks" he has unlimited power. The Senate GOP's have managed to fillibuster almost everything... by just saying "NO."

I DO believe that he is committed to advancing a "MORE" liberal agenda while he "sometimes" has the votes. You seem to think this has been EASY for him so far. It has NOT. And the results are CERTAINLY more "centrist."

Whether or not he cares about losing Democratic seats should be a GOOD sign. He, for once, is NOT playing Washington politics with his agenda. He wants people to vote for what THEY feel is right... not what will get them re-elected.

The Judicial Branch? Are you kidding me? So far, he has ONLY had the opportunity to replace OTHER LIBERAL justices on a court weighted HEAVILY on the Conservative side (thanks, in part, to some appointments by DUBYA.) But... IF he gets the chance to sway the court "slightly" more towards the liberal side... HOW does that make it any MORE "useless" than the conservative court and conservative congress have been for MOST of the last decade? :roll:

So... you think the Congress is useless. You think the Supreme Court will somehow soon become useless. You OBVIOUSLY think the Executive branch is useless. What are you to do? You know?... you're not that far from Canada! Enjoy your NEW "freedoms" and don't let the door hit you in the AZZ on your way OUT! :lol2:

THIS would not be the FIRST time that America has had a "trifecta" of government branches... although it has been a RARITY. And guess what.... we SURVIVED it!

I have NEVER, in my lifetime, heard so many "chicken littles" screaming about the SKY falling! And I've been around for quite a few changes in government! :roll:

The only REAL difference I see in the government TODAY, is the COLOR of the man in the White House! His "policies" are not that much more (if any) LIBERAL than Clinton's or Carter's or even REAGAN's!! No MORE so than Johnson's, Kennedy's or even Eisenhower's! So WHAT makes all of this a CRISIS that justifies a revolution??

Name me ONE freedom you have lost since Obama took office. Name me ONE tax that you have had levied on you since then. TELL me about how he has "cut and run" from A-Stan! And don't GIVE me this B.S. about "socialism" or "takeovers." EVERY company we've "bailed out" because of Dubya's mistakes STILL has private ownership... and STILL are screwing the average American! But.... by saving them, (which was originally started by Dubya) Obama has SAVED millions of jobs and averted a full fledged DEPRESSION!

The Economists disagree with you. The stock market disagrees with you. MANY republicans disagree with you. Our ALLIES disagree with you. The ONLY people that agree with you are our ENEMIES... and the TEA BAGGER "NUTS!" :roll:

Good luck with THAT! :hellno:

But, hey... this is just MHO.... for you rightwing nutjobs! :roll:

:lol:

 

It's been awhile since I made a political opinion. I almost forgot... I'm suppose to ask you for my opinion first. :roll:

I guess I need to spell it out for you Hobo. I use to be your ONLY advocate here with the moderator staff. I've since learned to really dislike you and consider you a complete asshat.

I no longer give a rats butt what you think...and have no need for your input on any of my opinions.....because I think of you as a condescending hateful prique.

You sure have become a Class A Jackass. GFY

 

I'm not denying that either of them may or may not have been a neutral state.....I said they seceded, which they did. I do not trust Wikipedia in general due to the nature of the website, but here is a quick link to what I am referring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession

The dates of their secessions are as follows.... Kentucky - November 20, 1861 and Missouri - October 31,1861

http://americancivilwar.com/documents/ordinance_secession.html

http://www.constitution.org/csa/ordinances_secession.htm#Missouri

http://www.constitution.org/csa/ordinances_secession.htm#Kentucky

They may not have remained Confederate states, and as history lessons tell us, there were Union outposts in these "neutral" states, however, Kentucky and Missouri DID secede.

By the way, I am resuming my search for the information that I found nearly ten years ago on the internet about Alabama not rejoining the Union. I have not found anything stating that they did in fact sign anything agreeing to rejoin, but rather were adopted in after ratifying the states constitution twice. The first time it was rejected still, insinuating that they were attempting to rejoin, and were obviously readmitted. I am not sure how reliable the information that I had found in the past about it not rejoining, but I know I found multiple sites in which that was stated. Having been over ten years ago, my memory fails me as to whether any of the publishers were reputable or not, so I am resuming my search for a little while in order to get some closure on this.

 

Razor, your sorta right but not entirely. Kentucky never officially seceded from the Union. A rogue Kentucky state was setup and recognized by the CSA but it never actually controlled the entire state. Officially, Kentucky was always Union.

Basically, a few setup a shadow govt. hoping the CSA would win the war in which they would then overthrow the current Kentucky govt and already have an existing govt. in place. It never worked out for them but in reality, they had split Kentucky in two. Officially in all records, Kentucky was always Union/neutral the real govt. never voted to secede.

Missouri was a funny deal. Both sides claim them and always have. The Governor tried to secede but his govt. refused, he had zero support of joining the CSA but at the same time the govt. refused to join the Union cause. They did not like how the Union was trying to coerce southern states. Eventually confusion and all heck broke loose in Missouri and nobody is sure what really happened. History books show Missouri never left the Union. It appears another shadow govt. like in Kentucky was setup after some military fighting took place in the state. Historians to this day still aren't sure if it was a shadow govt or a real working govt. that was setup. There is no official record of the secession ordinance and until there is, it's all myth and urban legend.

 

Finally something WE both can agree on!

This is where I take issue:
If that was the only change he referring to during his campaign, I just wish he would have said that. I heard his speeches and his promises, he should have just said, politics or "policies" as usual.

The healthcare bill will tax Americans that President Obama promised he would NOT tax.
Also, this is the last year of the Bush tax cuts that helped those that are married not be penalized by the tax code, he has not extended the tax cuts, so once again there will be taxed levied against many that in this economic climate frankly can't handle anymore decline in their wages.

I named two, happy?

 

Thank you!! Ya beat me to it!

 

Depending on how you look at it, none of the states ever seceded anyway. The US government didn't recognize the secessions as legal anyway, making them null and void. So since they didn't view them as seceded, they knowingly attacked their own civilian population. Then again, at the same time, the South viewed them not allowing the South to be seceded as illegal and they were their own country so it wasn't a civil war but a war between two countries. Its all semantics really, and that's an argument no one can win, especially when anyone and everyone involved is and has been dead for a century.

I am tired of looking for this information that I professed as "a little known fact," so I will renege what I claimed since apparently the information I found in the past was obviously not from a reliable source, since all other information I am and have found in the last couple of days points to Alabama attempting twice to rejoin the Union before being accepted. The dates have differed on every site that I have found, so I am still not sure how accurate those claims are. Even though I found multiple sites in the past stating what I claimed, it seems to me from my memory that they probably weren't very reputable and if nothing else less reputable than the sources (no matter how different the dates are) I have found in the last two days claiming the other side.

 

It's ok Razor, you'll find a lot of that out there. Some history books have wrong info in them so you have a great chance of finding wrong info on the internet.

And that is why you will find wrong info all over the place about the Civil War, record keeping wasn't the greatest back then.

Some say that where I live, nothing happened here during the American Revolution. If that were true then I would not have found a sheathed bayonet knife from the Royal Navy dated 1764. It's possible that the trenches around the house were what we thought from the Civil War might actually be from the American Revolution. I'm a half mile from Wilderness Battlefield which is Civil War but the same path was used during the American Revolution when British soldiers were advancing on both Monticello and Montpelier.

The other southern states who "seceded," their govt's voted to leave the Union so they technically left in their own minds even if the Union didn't see it that way. The 2 in question held a vote and both chose to not join the CSA and at the time, not join the Union cause either.


Obama didn't call it a tax with healthcare, it was the only way it could pass in Congress, he made sure to tell us all the mandate was not a tax. Oops, guess it was a tax after all once it was asked to be clarified recently by a court. Oh wait, those evil Repubs and Fox News must be putting words in the Great One's mouth again. Ohhhhhhhh, you mean they have video evidence of him saying it was not a tax and now saying it is a tax a few months later? Must be fake, he'd never flip flop like John Kerry or be caught in a lie.

 

Not defending him by any means (I voted for and have been a supporter of McCain for as long as I can remember) but isn't that ALL politicians?