There was some private sector job growth in addition to the 48,000 census workers. Quite a bit of the private sector stuff (40,000) is temp work and household wages fell slightly, so millions of people might have a chuckle at the "Thank you Obama" stuff. It's at least something though, including some manufacturing and construction work, which can't be said for very many months over the last couple of years.

Of course, since we're trying to be honest here, the unemployed population (the part that's actually counted) grew by 125,000 people in the same month. That part of the story is curiously absent from the celebration narratives, as is the part about the additional 369,000 who can only find part-time work or the additional 184,000 who have given up trying to find a job. I'm not entirely sure they'll be joining in the victory celebration either.

On balance though, I'd consider the report to be good news if I had spent a couple trillion borrowed dollars with nothing to show for it. Gotta start somewhere. Economists seem to think that this kind of slow growth will continue for a while, so the question will be how long does it take to move past cheap temp labor and into meaningful economic growth. The cycle usually starts with already employed people working longer hours, then the temps come in, then the real jobs. We've reached Stage 1 then. For the sake of The One™, hopefully the later stages will come sooner than forecast. Since people make babies and most of those babies grow up and look for work, it takes around 150,000 to 200,000 new jobs a month, every month, to make a dent in the unemployment rate.

 

Your right on Roadhog. We have lost our morals, especially young people and it is or is going to be the undoing of this country, maybe the world if it doesn't get straightened out. SOON!!! Isn't it something that people laugh about that? It will NEVER happen. Famous last words!

 

Allot of things have changed in the last couple years many of us would have never thought could happen...and look at us now. :tears:

What will a year or two from now look like? I don't want to give too much credit toward the progressives, but I want to raise some valid questions........

Voting I think is a far reaching feel good desperation for the independants and conservatives, as well as hoping to win justice through the Courts. Even Obama has the swagger to taunt "Go for it!" They know their plan is extremely effective, well thought out and they have enough control already. They are causing diversions to quietly nudge more and more control everyday. Look at the Advisors, Czars, and latest Appointees, along with the media and community organizing machine. The progressives have a strategy in place and we've underestimated them. We won some little victories, but they are just scraps, giving us a false purpose. Look at the genius of what the progressives have accomplished, and where they are going with this. This is about more than just the United States. This is a Global plan, and when the time comes, we will see the shift.

Imagine the elections this November, what would happen if accusations of voter fraud run amok at some of the elections? We already have over a dozen States with unsustainable economies. These States are right now pressuring Unions to give concessions, which is the very scenario going on in Greece causing riots in the streets. Imagine the corporate retiree's anger when they loose their benefits, and get dumped into the bankrupt medicare system. This Nations economy and Constitution does not need to be overwhelmed much more than it already is to collapse.

Look at the big picture. Things are even worse in other Countries, and I believe we will see a domino effect begin in Europe during the next year. They are going to be forced to make some drastic changes. The world and this Nation is not at the brink yet, but we are heading faster and more sure in that direction.

Imagine Israel bombing Iran sometime in the next year. It is a realistic direction of what is to come. Imagine gas rationing, if you can even afford it. We've already witnessed how insane many of the world leaders are. Imagine what they will be like at the brink. Someone is going to use nukes or biological weapons.

History repeats itself, yet we are seeing so many things we label unprecedented. We are passing boundries never before seen, into uncharted territory. When you base the future on unprecedented and uncharted, what are we heading into?

I want to cling to the positive scenarios, but I'm loosing conviction in holding onto any of that, and some of what I painted above, in my bones seems more realistic. I want to know the truth, and face reality. I don't want to believe in conspiracy, or find I've been a fool for what I believe.

I do recognize some of the things I use to believe, I now have learned better, and I was wrong. I know today some of my gut feelings will be proven true, and some will be proven wrong.

This much I'm certain of >>> ............. ............................................ ((( stinking commies and jihadists )))

 

Mr. Ford95 said:

Right now, IIRC, we are seeing a postive for the 3rd time in the last 5 months and only the THIRD time since the recession began in late 2007. Um.... that means ALL 3 of the positive growth months have happened under Obama's watch.... and following his stimulus package. Keep in mind... this is not a NOVEL approach. It's been used by many presidents over many years. (All of them White! :lol2: ) :lol:

Not sure which partner you play in the Texas Two-step, but IIRC.... the LEADER takes two steps forward for only ONE step back. Right now, I'd say that Obama is outdancing ole Dubya! :lol:

I see you didn't read Dejahn's LINK to the CNNmoney story... that explained it all pretty well I thought.

But, I agree with you that the numbers can be "manipulated," and it's hard to follow all the confusing explanations. I'm NO economist. But, I think I got some insight from that article. Mostly, I figured out how that many jobs created did not change the unemployment rate, so Michael Steele was CORRECT.... yet misleading.... when he claimed they had NO effect on the unemployment number.

I'm home for the weekend. No freight to haul tomorrow due to this "religion thingy" called EASTER! :lol2::lol: [That's a JOKE!]

So, I think I will TRY to explain it for you.... and for ME.... and anyone else who will listen.

I believe you were talking in the abstract here (about other reports,) and I agree with what you said. But, realize that THIS time, we are talking about positive job growth, yet NO less unemployment "RATE," And there was some interesting little tidbit about some 200,000 who have rejoined the "search" because they see "movement" in the hiring market. More later.

Certainly not in THAT case, cuz you are still referencing the abstract. But actually.... in THIS case.... the politicians are right. For the record, I don't believe politicians are too stupid to know the difference between those who DROP off the unemployment chart.... and actual jobs created or saved.

After reading the article, I can see that of the 162,000 jobs, 48,000 are census workers... leaving 114,000 jobs (I guess EITHER saved or created.) People can spin it any way they want, blame it all on the stimulus bill if they want (which would be incorrect,) .... but, it is the highest I believe since the recession began in EARLY 2008 (under Dubya's watch... and due to many of HIS policies.) And EACH of those families are PROBABLY saying.... "Thank you Mr. Obama!" :thumbsup:

 

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Not that it would deter those of you who think the former president invented cancer and stole your lunch money, but one consecutive month during which both the number of employed and the number of unemployed rose by similar amounts, and during which the 'marginally attached' continued to grow by huge amounts, is hardly the data point that should embolden you to gloss over the 8 million jobs that have been lost (and remain lost) during the Pelosi/Reid era that ushered in the recession.

See, I can pick and choose when to start counting and whom to blame just like you guys can. (Those graphics that you like so much are a little different when you track the people who actually appropriate the money.)Pop quiz for you - Which president had the longest period of uninterrupted job growth in American history? Your man Bush, of course. Now, does anyone believe that the job market from 2003 to 2008 was stronger than those under Reagan/Bush or Clinton II? I sure don't, because the 'uninterrupted' part is mainly a technicality, but 52 months straight is still 52 straight months. Right now we're on Month #3 if I concede the technicality and don't count February as a loser, although jobs were lost. So you might want to ease back on the hyperbole a little before you celebrate the fact that there were more unemployed people in March than there were in February.

The jobs added are a positive sign. Republicans won't say this for obvious reasons, but a handful of new private sector jobs is better than no private sector jobs. Trying to spin it from there into your ever-present narrative is a huge overreach.



And a higher number of unemployed people, as well. The coin has two sides, no matter how much we wish it were otherwise.

There was some flux between the different categories of unemployed. People who are not working, but haven't had any contact with the bean counters, don't show up in the reports. So, once people start hearing about unemployment possibly coming down, more of them will start calling their states' job banks and this will drive the unemployment rate back up a little, or at least slow it's decline. Standard deal there, and no fault of Obama's.

The "real" number that Pelosi et al loved to trumpet back when the unemployment rate was 5% (A16, I believe, but I don't feel like searching for it right now) is actually up a tick, for those who like to make this a political scorekeeping game and/or hypocrisy watch.

The vast majority of those teenagers (biggest growth segment, for the record) probably aren't thinking of any politicians while they work a few hours a week in order to buy their next dime bag. The very small gains in construction and manufacturing may be related to government borrowing and spending, so some of those families may be joining you in thanking the politicians for stealing from their grandchildren in order to paper over their current shortcomings.

In summary: Another day, another spin game. The view from the left is that all good news is a gift from The One™ and all bad news was caused by Bush. The view from the right is that all good news is in spite of The One™ and it should have been better. Pick the topic, insert the chosen narrative, it never changes.

 

Hobo, our local paper did some investigating here on the unemployment and job growth numbers. What they found was that many peole have given up on unemployment, hence the lower number's for that. Job growth stayed the same, very little increase at all, BUT because the unemployment number went down(due to more people giving up on it than those applying for it) the politicians around here were willing to claim job growth was up even though it actually wasn't. That is happening everywhere, it's a false positive as they showed. Went thru this with a couple of buddies from school. 1 is a huge Obama fan, every time a job report comes out he's touting Obama's plan as the reports show less unemployment which means job growth. We ask him a question or two of which he has no answer to and he gets all mad and leaves.

All it means is that we are getting to the bottom of the barrel after several years. Companies and business' can't lay off anyone else without shutting down. There is nobody else left to go to unemployment so the number/rate won't/can't go much higher than it already is. Because of that, any job gains look great even though the truth is it's completely stagnant right now.

We saw a positive report around X-mas, again here as the Census is cranking up and as taxes are due. Let's see what happens come May-June before we call it job growth.

You are correct, the stimulus Obama did for job growth has done nothing to help job growth.