You want to play victim, and place guilt on me?
I'll make allowance for how you feel right now, but maybe you need to slow down and read my post again, and then how you chose to respond to a friend with your response. Keep in mind the years you degradated my faith and ideology, and I made allowance for your personal beliefs. There are lines we know not to cross when expressing our opinions, and we all blur that at times. You need to account for yourself my friend, and I have been defending you here for years. By all means, rant and vent your political and religious views, but keep it pithy. (as O'Rielly would say) If you find you can't do that, then as your friend, I'd suggest you spend more of your time posting about boobage. Tit for tat...know what I'm sayin'?

Reread my post. I felt singled out, that you twist my post, argued semantics, and added in some insults. (the you expected better of me kinda bothered me too) I paraphrased Napolitano. I used the words, "basically said." Fact is, I am not the only one who read between her radical left lines. She said many things, and if I and others are wrong, then why was she forced to apologise?

The report stands as a smear against a wide swath of traditional conservative, American, constitutional opinion.

Using some of her own words;
"Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," said right-wing extremist groups may be using the recession and the election of the nation's first African-American president to recruit members. (absolutely no proof of this)
Though the nine-page report said it had "no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence," it said real-estate foreclosures, unemployment and tight credit "could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past."
It warned that the groups may use proposed restrictions on firearms and the debate on immigration as recruiting tools, and said the groups may try to reach out to veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today," the report said. It noted that Timothy McVeigh, the bomber of the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, was a military veteran.

42 million veterans have worn this nation's uniform during wartime. To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical 'disgruntled military veteran' is unfair and out of line.

"Let me be very clear: we monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States."
"With the exception of ACORN, animal-rights activists, anti-capitalists, environmental advocates, pro-abortionists..." Napolitano continued.

 

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If I thought for one moment, Twilight, that there was any sincerity in these remarks, I might be inclined to respond IN KIND with some form of explanation. After all, I have always considered you to be intelligent, and at ONE TIME a "fair" moderator. Things certainly HAVE changed around here lately, at it wasn't JUST me!

I have said MANY times over these years, and proved it more than once, that I respond IN KIND to the challenges presented TO me, or about things I care about. Like Obama, I have declared that I will extend an open hand if not met with a clenched fist. But, like Dubya... when attacked I will let the WHOLE WORLD hear from me.

I have read over this thread many times (as I usually DO before responding,) and I note that I didn't even get involved until halfway through the second page. At that point, IMHO, my posts were rational and somewhat tame.... and NOT addressed to YOU.

I was met with an onslaught of condemnation from you from out of the blue. NOT exactly in the "spirit" of the Rev's favorite rule about not attacking the poster. But, I guess there's a new "Federal Marshall" in town now, and previous rules, banning criteria, and decorum are no longer in effect. That's the way "I" see it. Maybe, I read it wrong.

[Don't you HATE that word? Did I mean RED or REED?]

Point is.... I've decided that this thread, and the things said about me and my party and OUR President.... is a good place for me to state my beliefs and opinions (though with apologies... off topic.)

Unless you ban me right now, I intend to spend valuable time and considerable emotional and intelligent effort to do so without MALICE toward you or any other poster on this site. In fact, the bulk of it will be a discussion on things said by GMAN (who I note hasn't joined the wagon.)

There will be FEW (if any) apologies forthcoming for things I have said recently in response to what I felt were hatefull and seditionist remarks by the 95% who have seemed "drunk" with antigovernment and partisan rhetoric. But, I will try my best to keep it civil and informative rather than confrontational.

I intend to do this NOT out of any FEAR that you will use your godlike powers to silence me, ban me, or further rally your troops to insult me. I do so because I truly enjoy a good debate and the exchange of information, ideas and opinions. If that is not "welcome" here, and you prefer to admin a biased board of like minds who hate the government and the current administration and will not consider alternative realities/truths, or counsel differing opinions from EQUAL citizens... then I will have little choice but to withdraw on my own accord, as I have somewhat done lately, due to lack of interest on my part.

The ball is in your court. You can "nip it in the bud" with only a few short and condescending remarks, or you can uphold the great tradition of this board. Who knows, maybe some of the FEW that I have run off will be lurking and may have a change of heart about me. I guess I COULD have done this by email, since that seems to be your preferred method of information sharing, but I prefer to have at least a last chance to say my piece (or is it "say my peace") to the membership at large.

Roll the dice. Or fold. [I'm out of cliche's]

Windwalker: If you're still reading.... you're excused from class. Apparently, you don't have the bladder control for what MAY be coming. don't even try. [But notice that I didn't question your attention span!] :lol2:

 

Roadhog said:

No sir! That was NOT my intention. I actually was just kinda joking. I thought you would understand. Maybe I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying that.... kinda like YOU did..... I should leave on my own accord because "I" was getting too "affected" by the B.S. going on here. I thought that you believed that I needed to take a break for my "own mental health."

I guess I was wrong.

And HOW is that? Cornered? Under attack? Yeah... maybe.... but, that doesn't make me get all "wobbly" and lose my MIND! YOU were the one who emailed me and said YOU were feeling "weirded out" and had to take a break. I thought you felt that I was in the same boat. Apparently, I misread you. You REALLY thought that "I" was at fault here and needed to GO ???

I read this thread over and over and planned "multiple" points of engagement, and even "exit strategies." When all was done.... and I mean HOURS of self consultation while driving each day this week... I felt the best way back "in" would be a humorous remark (sort of) to you.... a FRIEND. Again, I must have been mistaken.

I HAVE.... and I WILL again. I guess you misunderstood my response. Yes, I was a bit shocked by your recent attitude, but I was NOT disrespecting your "testimony." I've heard it before, from you, and I am amazed about it. I KNOW these things happen, and seem to be explained in only ONE way.

I was only hoping that YOU were smart enough (as I KNOW you are) to not believe everything "some" are being spoonfed by Hannity and the other mouthpieces of the "party elites."

Aw, the "silently offended." I never degraded YOUR faith or beliefs! I believe we even discussed this a few times. But, because I have made statements that show that "I" am not SURE of the faith and beliefs that YOU are.... and that "I" was taught.... you feel that I have dismissed them as the folly of the stupid. This is not true.

Let me make this REAL clear right now! I have doubts about the tenets of the Christian faith, but I have NEVER doubted the veracity of another's beliefs.... OR their right to beleve so! As for MORE information about the relation between FAITH and reality, you'll have to stay tuned. I have given much thought to it, and I intend to include it in posts to come.... if I get the chance.

Yes, you HAVE. And I appeciate that. You should know that that is one of the reasons that I consider you a friend. Likewise.... I have defended YOU when you left.

Read my last post to Twilight. I'm not real GOOD at "pithy," YOU should have O'Reilly's entire library (for free) by now! Tell you the truth.... I'd really LIKE to read his books! I kinda LIKE him!

I certainly didn't MEAN to make you feel that way. I "singled" you out because I believe in YOU more than others! I didn't want to believe that YOU would fall prey to the "party line" that Fox was presenting. I consider you SMARTER than that!

Politics!! She spoke the truth, but the truth stinks. YOUR "paraphrasing" crossed the lines of reality into the realm of the "LIESPEAK" that has become the mantra of Hannity and the other "trolls" of the party of NO. HAD YOU QUOTED her verbatim, I would have responded differently. I am not afraid of the TRUTH! It is the LIES, innuendos, paraphrasing, and "twisting" of words that I will NOT TOLERATE.

NO IT DOESN'T! It is a VALID "analysis" of the "possible" routes of indoctrination, and insurgency that A.Q. might use to attack US from within. NO ONE is questioning the character and patriotism of the American soldier or Vet. The Ft. Hood shooter was a CLEAR example of exactly what she warned us to watch for! Unfortunately, people didn't LISTEN to her.... wouldn't DARE apply her warning to this guy..... and many are DEAD because of it! Granted, he was not a "returning vet," but he was in close contact with them, listened to their stories, and was radicalized to boot. I LOVE our troops! But there are some who MIGHT fall under this "spell" and we should be watching for the "signs." THAT is all she was saying!

ALL of this is absolutely TRUE! People are wearing guns to rallys where Obama is speaking! There still IS "racism" in this country AND in our military. I don't LIKE IT.... but, it is TRUE! There is much MORE to this discussion, if you'd like to have it, but PLEASE believe that I am a proud veteran, a loyal American, and a veteran of the Military/Gov't intelligence services.... and I have NO problem with the factuality of such a warning.

In principle, and as stated, I AGREE with you. But just ONE McVeigh is one TOO many! I KNOW you aren't arguing that we should ignore this possibility at the possible loss of life he created!

Not sure what the context was here but, I WANT 0ur inteligence agencies to "monitor the risks" of extremism ANYWHERE it exists! THEY have declared their intention to work from within. I don't think we need to fear that a "gay bomber" will take out the pentagon.... but, a well trained veteran, who MAY have been discharged for reasons HE doesn't like, with access and training with explosives, could do some damage. It's just a FACT.... Hoggie! Wake up and smell the napalm! These are difficult times! And what if he happens to be a Muslim? Or a muslim sympathizer?

Where do YOU draw the line? Hell.... the way SOME of "you" (the collective you) think.... it could be ANY ONE of a number of LIBERALS who served in the military! :hellno:

Bottom line, Hoggie..... I don't know where you are coming from these days. You've admitted to a certain political radicalization under the circumstances. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, saying that I was CERTAIN that you would respond in a way that would console me and prove you were NOT buying into all the crap on the airwaves. You SCARED me!

Your response, however, was acceptable. [Another Twilight belief bites the dust!]

I've heard the story before about your "epiphany." I do NOT disbelieve (nor ridicule) your account of it, nor your analysis of it. Moreso, my surprise when even YOU called for me to leave the board.

I value YOUR opinion over ANY other on this board. I considered that if YOU felt I should leave, and for reasons other than what YOU went through, then perhaps it would be for the good of all. I was all but a keystroke of doing so just on YOUR opinon!

I had hoped to have this discussion in private with you through email. I SEARCHED my email for one from you explaining your post. It didn't come. Instead, you responded as above.

I guess now my fate is equally in YOUR hands and Twilight's. I have stated my case as clearly as I can under the circumstances.

Twilight has ONLY the power to permaban me. YOU have the power to SHUN me. This board needs you, and always HAS, more than it needs me. If YOU want me to go, then I must seriously consider it.

If I were you, I'd start asking for money from the "lobbyists" that will possibly come out of the woodwork now, though I'm not sure. Twilight only got one or two to join HIS "wagon." I have to believe that SOME of the MANY that I have run off the board were lurking and just waiting for him to give them an opening to chime in. Only one or two did. :hellno:

However, I must admit that I see no one standing up for me. I"m not surprised. Most of those who believe the way I do have long since been "run off" by the hate speech coming from the "drones" of the CAD "party line." YOU (as the last of the moderates) were my last hope. :cry::hellno:

Perhaps, all hope is lost.

Now.... THAT is how one plays the "victim card." :clap:

 

Bladder control indeed.

I'm the guy that started this thread, and I did so on a humorous note. I was ribbing you over your staunch support of Obama. If I saw him doing a good job of it, I would be supporting him nearly as strongly as you do. But I don't see him going as good a job as the former administration. And, I'm not alone in that. I've talked to many people that voted for Obama, and now would dearly love to change their vote. I'm even hearing people talk about "How can we arrange a RECALL ELECTION". Yet, you continue to support him.

So, let me tell you a few things about you. NO, this is not an attack on you, but things you miss when you look in a mirror.

You have a very real problem admitting you are wrong. It's as if you chose a compass heading, and no matter what that may take you through, it's the right direction. Even if it means you are going to walk through a lava flow from a volcano, it's still you're heading.

Remember being in TX on I-40 on Dec 19, a few years ago? A Swift driver lost control on the ice and rolled it over. You said it was "PUCKERING", and there were a number of trucks off the road that day. Rolled, jackknifed, and simply couldn't stay on the ice. You talked about "jigging the wheel". That is a practice that I KNOW to be counter to safety in bad winter weather, and especially on ice. As I recall, you were just starting out driving a jointed vehicle, and in spite of the years of experience I already had, you insisted you were right.

You said you locked in the differentials for more traction. Again, you were wrong. It does not lock the axle shafts in a rear-end together, but locks the differential between the rears. Yet, you kept on insisting yours was different than any other truck in the US. (That option is available in Canada, and is often used in their northern lattitudes, but seldom, if ever, used in the States. Still, you insisted. You were right and everyone else was wrong.

Or, how about the time a 4-wheeler cut you off. You cranked the wheel and got hung up on a railroad track. You most certainly were fortunate that you were able to lock in the differentials and drag it off. I believe I was the first one to inform you that getting stuck on a railroad track is a very serious violation. I believe you ended up by saying it was not a legal grade for a crossing. If trucks can not make that crossing, you had no business being there. If trucks cross there on a regular basis, then it falls on you that you got stuck there. Legal grade or not, it still falls on the driver. But, it was not your fault, and the blame was on someone else. You did not make a mistake.

I could be stretching things here a bit, but I would suspect that your marriage fell apart because of that also. You are going to find someone else to blame for your mistakes, and you are never wrong. My guess would be that she had enough of it from you. But, that was not your fault either. You weren't wrong.

So, now, I'm telling you. While, "to error is human", to admit it is not part of HOBO'S policy. IT'S OKAY TO ADMIT A MISTAKE. I do it all the time. You have no idea how many times I've thought I was wrong.

 

:hellno:

I couldn't imagine being up north. Man! This is bad enough.

 

Sorry, folks. Looks like I've been wrong yet again.

I thought we were on a different thread that I certainly did start.I'll try not to make this same mistake again in the future.

And, Hobo, I have never called for your removal from this board. I have always felt that you were a contributor. However, I will accuse you of having found a way to use more words than a politician to say less. Maybe the overflow is simply an attempt to make your meaning clear.

 

Windwalker said:

I wasn't going to mention it, Windy! I caught your mistake immediately, but decided to move THAT part of your post to THAT thread to answer it. Now, maybe you understand why I reread threads so many times before I respond. In fact, I almost made the same mistake myself. I spent a whole day of driving composing a challenge to Twilight based on the fact that the Rev never attacked a poster who hadn't posted on a thread. But, when I got home, I realized it was THIS thread that he was trashing me on, and I HAD posted on it! :lol:

Man I hated not being able to make that point!

I caught THAT bit of info, too! I really appreciate you speaking up so quickly to disavow any collusion with Twilight's claim that no one wants me here. IF he is right.... YOU are NO ONE! :hellno:

Maybe so.... but, I haven't found a way to get PAID for it like they do! :lol2:

 

So, for the next election, let's get MY butt into the Oval Office. As a "Press Secretary", you'll be getting paid for your words. But, perhaps, not by the word. Don't know that even the President of the United States could afford that.

 

Hobo, I guess I'll repete myself then, with my response to Twilight.
I thought Twilights response was fair as well.
I agreed with the staff the last time you were banned, and I agree with the staff over the trouble-makers here now. I haven't seen your behavior for about 8 months, but since I've rejoined the pack, I see you have become more of a Mr. Hyde.

I'm the moderate one here???
If I were still a mod on CAD, and have to put up with the complaints, and keep repeting myself to a thick headed member who continually insults someone, while attempting (however lame) to disguise it as something else, I wouldn't be as tolerant, as the rest of the staff. Maybe I would reign in some members here through private conversation, which was my style, but I find no fault in our moderator staff, and think you've been allowed allot of consideration. No one wants to ban you, because the Dr. Jekyll part of you is very likeable, helpful, and contributes allot to the site.

Twilight and I often get a chuckle over how much we think alike. Our only disharmony has been in regards to you or Rev vassago. This staff is openly telling you to wise up or leave before you find yourself banned again. You need to reconcile this with yourself. I do still stick up for you, but I do not agree with your opinions of how you are now being treated.

Like WindWalker, I too wish to say, I often need to check myself up, as do we all at times. These political and religious discussions ramp up rhetoric on both sides, which just further exasperates a degrading discussion. We all have to accept our part in that, or stop posting in those areas. That is basically what I said to you in a private email. I often regret exposing my personal beliefs, and I don't mind keeping my personal opinions close to the vest. That's where a liberal is foolish to silence guys like me. They can ram their ideology down my throat, but they may never again see what is coming for them, no more than I feel they can see what is on the horizon.

All this aside, I do not base my friendships on ones personal beliefs, otherwise, I'd have to hate most everyone. I'm going to try to slow my roll, and spend more of my time concerned with all that magnificent boobage out there.