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I do find it interesting that it is very difficult to find anyone who will admit to voting for Obama. Prior to the election there were quite a few who admitted to voting for him. CHANGE?? I will say one thing for Obama. He has kept his word. He did promise change. He has certainly delivered on this promise.
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Well, I can't admit to voting for Obama. Circumstances kept me from voting at all this time. But... I WOULD have. The GOP didn't have a viable candidate and Palin was a disaster... as I PREDICTED! I don't agree with ALL the changes Obama wants to make, but I am convinced we couldn't survive with MORE OF THE SAME.
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In fairness to Bush, he did short circuit a potential financial disaster after 9/11. We did not have an attack in this country while he was in office.
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Actually, he did NOT, except by going to war. It started under his watch, and he just passed off the worst "efforts" to Obama. The fact that he concurred in the first bailout, shows that he (much too late) recognized the disaster and the DRASTIC steps that would be needed to avert it.
NO ATTACK while he was in office?? 9/11 happened under his watch! While he was reading a book about goats to children! He had been FULLY warned of the threat! It takes YEARS to plan an attack on America. The fact that we didn't suffer ANOTHER on his watch can NOT be truthfully attributed to anything he did by declaring war on Saddam (to avenge his Daddy.)
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It is usually under the democrats that we have gotten into a war. WWII, Korea and Vietnam were all started under democrats. Inflation tends to be higher under democrats. Jimmy Carter comes to mind with this one. We had interest rates and inflation over 20%.
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The truth and rationale for this has already been covered quite well by Skywalker... but, I might point out that Bush was the FIRST president in American history to declare a "pre-emptive" war on ANY sovereign country.
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Republicans typically have a hands off when it comes to the economy and running business from the oval office.
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Which is how we got INTO this mess!
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Democrats usually go after more control and higher taxes. If you check tax rates they are also usually higher under the democrats.
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Obama is restoring the taxes on the RICH to a level BELOW that of Reagan and (I believe) Clinton.
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Bush is the first Republican in recent history to have gone after our freedoms with the Patriot Act.
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Well, I give you credit for recognizing THAT. However, it is
MY OPINION that Nixon was determined to usurp the power of my vote with the Watergate scandal. His determination to hold on to power "by all means necessary" was nothing short of TREASON.
And, yes.... I believe that Dubya followed his example by "lawyering" his way into the 2000 election for the same reasons, and AGAINST the popular vote.... AND took us to war without the proper "advice and consent" of Congress and the American people.
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Republicans tend to be more for people accepting personal responsibility for their actions and smaller government. Democrats typically want government to take an active role in people's lives and for people to not be held responsible for their actions. Republicans lower taxes, democrats raise them.
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I'm not against these principles. I HAVE a "conservative" streak. The problem lies with how the GOP "panders" to the super rich at the EXPENSE of the "average man." Their form of "government" increases the disparity between the classes, allows for shipping jobs overseas to "sweathouse" type economies to increase profits and investment "returns" at the expense of middle class Americans.... INCREASING the roles of lower class or poverty level Americans... which, in turn, increases the costs to all Americans for "welfare" programs. What GOOD does it do to "teach a man to fish" if you're going to let someone ELSE do the fishing because it increases your profits to levels above what you can even SPEND?? This is EXACTLY the "feudal" system from which our forefathers fled! What happened to the American Dream?
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There seem to be about as many liberals who call themselves Republicans as Democrats. Many liberals switched from the Democratic party to the Republican party during the time of Reagan. It was likely the only way they could have been elected during that time.
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And it was the only way that REAGAN got elected! What you don't realize is that MANY "Liberals" also have conservative values. I guess that puts us somewhere in the "moderate" category...which BOTH parties have. We don't ALL want to give away the bank to those who won't WORK for a living... we just want a FAIR shot at the American Dream. We want JOBS for the unskilled worker, and we want higher education that we can AFFORD without taking out a second mortgage on our MODEST homes! We get tired of seeing the super rich getting all the breaks, and making policy in this country.
We don't WANT their MONEY! We want them to make a little LESS money by providing JOBS for other Americans. We want a JOB to go to each day, and to be able to pay for the gas to get there. We are sick and tired of big oil companies making billions in profits, millions for their CEO's, taking GOVERNMENT incentives to DO SO, and telling us to "eat cake!"
And we are tired of being BLAMED for the "poverty" situation they have forced us into, and the REPUBLICAN presidents or congresses who have helped them RAPE America!
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Both parties seem to do what they want. There is mutual cooperation for an expanded government. People are slowly awakening from their cerebral slumber and beginning to realize that the government is moving quickly to take over this economy and our freedoms are in jeopardy. Perhaps it is time for one or more additional political parties. These two are much too powerful and don't seem to have the interests of the citizens at heart.
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I don't BELIEVE that. I DO, however, believe it may be time for another "constitutional convention." This has been "floated" many tmes lately...at least at STATE level.... and has ALWAYS been quashed by REPUBLICANS, because they will LOSE certain powers and status if it happens. Wonder WHY that is?
I don't WANT a "socialist" form of government! I don't even want socialist health care! I WANT the government that I ELECTED to "control" the costs of healthcare so that I can afford it. I want it to "control" the costs of energy and gasoline so that I can afford it. I want them to "control" the huge profits of the Military Industrial Complex by keeping my sons out of unnecessary wars. And I want it to GUARANTEE at least a "SHOT" at the American Dream for ALL Americans.
The ONLY "control" I want from my government is on the
GREED of certain "so-called" Americans who somehow believe it is Okay to build their fortunes off the backs of the American citizen! We are ONLY a few hundred years old as a country, yet we seem to be headed towards the "feudalism" that we eschewed!
How MUCH is ENOUGH??? The Bible said (for those who CLAIM to follow it)... that it is not MONEY - but the
LOVE of money - that is the root of all evil!
THIS is the mantra of the Liberal! Or at least SOME of us. We are no more distracted by issues of "gay marriage" than conservatives are by Gun Control.
I want to believe that ALL Americans are focused on what is RIGHT for America! And that is JOBS and the preservation of the Middle Class! Without the middle class, you HAVE no "free market" for your products! Your companies will FAIL, and your stocks will be worthless!
I feel for those retirees who've lost their funds due to Wall Street GREED and incompetence, but I will NEVER shed a tear for those who built their wealth on GREED. They DESERVE to find themselves in a line at a soup kitchen!
They deserve NO LESS than Louis the 14th and Marie Antoinette! And it COULD HAPPEN!
Hobo
issedoff:. By the way AB sold for 52 BILLION.
