What is Shariah?
#11
11-08-2008, 10:22 AM
I've said on several other boards...if you want to see this country in 5-10 years...look at Britain.
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#12
11-08-2008, 04:37 PM
I've been hearing about this stuff, for a couple of years, now. Just never had the time to dig into it, to learn more. “jihad with money,” “financial jihad” It seems that we are about to learn a lot more about it. Or, die. I did find this, but I couldn't make much sense out of it. They have a strange way of using the English language. 7045 N Western Ave., Chicago IL 60645 http://www.shariahboard.org/HomePage.aspx From a different page, on one of your links: This is a disturbing Blog post - Sharia finance expert warns Obama to avoid Islamic finance: Jihad Watch http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023381.php I think our goose is cooked, and some of just don't know it yet. If this stuff doesn't scare you, I would tend to think you are one of them.... They do have a large volunteer force. How did they get into Harvard? How did they get into the U.S. Treasury Department? Here is another blog, with some excerpts. http://usastopshariah.wordpress.com/ Incredibly, in recent days, the U.S. Treasury Department has begun embracing Shariah-Compliant Finance. Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Robert Kimmitt has professed an interest in “studying the salient features of Islamic banking to ascertain how far it could be useful in fighting the ongoing world economic crisis.” According to a press report out of Saudi Arabia, he has declared that “experts in the Treasury Department are currently learning the important features of Islamic banking.” To this end, the Treasury Department is hosting in its headquarters building on Thursday, November 6th a “seminar for the policy community” entitled “Islamic Finance 101.” This event is being co-sponsored - and, it would appear, orchestrated - to promote Shariah-Compliant Finance by one of America’s leading promoters of the industry: the Islamic Finance Project at Harvard Law School. Harvard has benefitted from the infusion of millions of dollars from a Wahhabi Saudi prince and his government. Such funds are evidently translating into its fealty to the Islamist agenda and the promotion of Shariah and SCF by Harvard professors such as Frank Vogel (who will preside at the Treasury seminar). It is especially alarming that the Treasury Department is now in a position to impose its submission to Shariah on the various financial institutions which it has bought in recent weeks or otherwise controls. With the nationalization of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, its purchase of - at last count - 17 banks and the enormous leverage associated with its $700 billion slush-fund, Treasury can be an irresistible force should it actively promote Shariah-Compliant Finance. The fact that Assistant Treasury Secretary Neel Kashkari, the official charged with administering that slush fund, is the host of “Islamic Finance 101″ certainly looks like active promotion of Shariah-Compliant Finance.
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#13
11-08-2008, 05:09 PM
In the first link, remember that a "Fatwa" is a holy decree. That is how much Islam enters into the private lives. It comes down to... "Do you always have to wipe your butt with the right hand, or can you use the left hand if the right one has been removed?"
Yes, even how to have sex. The woman on the bottom and the man on top so that the woman may not leave until the man releases her. And, if it were to reach that point, those of us that have blue eyes might want to consider colored contact lenses to make them look brown. Blue eyes are the mark of the Devil ever since the Crusades of the middle ages. The warning about getting into Islamic banking, and the studying of Islamic banking is interesting. I don't understand why the warning.
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#14
11-08-2008, 06:22 PM
Partssman:
I linked wiki because I was in a hurry and it would give the O.P. a basic understanding of it. I was, and am, aware of most of what you listed concerning their laws. It's not pretty. But, my point is that we, as Americans don't have much to fear from it. It will never take over America. Heck.... isn't that why we are fighting them "over there?" I must admit, I don't understand MOST of the posts by "2." I haven't had the time I used to have to decipher everything on CAD. But, sometimes he sounds paranoid about ONE thing, and then later something ELSE. I must admit that some of my responses are a knee jerk reaction to a perception that many here seem to think that Obama is a muslim and that he will open the doors of our government and country to them. This is absolutely not true. When I said we had nothing to fear, it was because we are not in imminent danger of a takeover by the Taliban. This is America! Islam has been around for thousands of years, and we are not in danger of "embracing" it. I WILL check out your links as time permits. But, I don't expect to see much that I don't already know about. I may just not "see" things in the same paranoid fashion that you do. I must say that the anti-muslim hysteria is stronger NOW than it was immediately following 9/11! And, the only thing that I can see that is driving that is the ignorance of some who believe Obama is a Muslim! Oh, and BTW.... looking over the list of "laws" or crimes you listed as part of Sharia law, I couldn't help recognizing many as being very similar to Old Testament Jewish law... and even certain aspects of early American history.
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#15
11-08-2008, 07:58 PM
Partssman:
I linked wiki because I was in a hurry and it would give the O.P. a basic understanding of it. I was, and am, aware of most of what you listed concerning their laws. It's not pretty. But, my point is that we, as Americans don't have much to fear from it. It will never take over America. Heck.... isn't that why we are fighting them "over there?" I must admit, I don't understand MOST of the posts by "2." I haven't had the time I used to have to decipher everything on CAD. But, sometimes he sounds paranoid about ONE thing, and then later something ELSE. I must admit that some of my responses are a knee jerk reaction to a perception that many here seem to think that Obama is a muslim and that he will open the doors of our government and country to them. This is absolutely not true. When I said we had nothing to fear, it was because we are not in imminent danger of a takeover by the Taliban. This is America! Islam has been around for thousands of years, and we are not in danger of "embracing" it. I WILL check out your links as time permits. But, I don't expect to see much that I don't already know about. I may just not "see" things in the same paranoid fashion that you do. I must say that the anti-muslim hysteria is stronger NOW than it was immediately following 9/11! And, the only thing that I can see that is driving that is the ignorance of some who believe Obama is a Muslim! Oh, and BTW.... looking over the list of "laws" or crimes you listed as part of Sharia law, I couldn't help recognizing many as being very similar to Old Testament Jewish law... and even certain aspects of early American history.
But, my point is that we, as Americans don't have much to fear from it. It will never take over America.
You have no credibility, and I consider you one of them.
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#16
11-08-2008, 11:24 PM
2, it appears my purpose for the post I made worked. It caused you to take the time to inform yourself. Now you can be better prepared and won't be "blindsided" by the "embrace diversity" crowd. Watch your back and your elected officals. To be better prepared for those who will come for your rights and way of life, you must know the enemy. Now you do have a head start.
It's not pretty. But, my point is that we, as Americans don't have much to fear from it. It will never take over America. Heck.... isn't that why we are fighting them "over there?"
http://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/200...-good-one.html Muslims in England are seeking a ban on non-Muslim activities in public schools: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-Muslims.html Church school renames Three Little Pigs to avoid offending Muslims http://islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/...sh-Schools.htm The Tragedy of Islamic Indoctrination In British Schools
I must admit that some of my responses are a knee jerk reaction to a perception that many here seem to think that Obama is a muslim and that he will open the doors of our government and country to them. This is absolutely not true.
However, B. Hussein Obama on national tv did say in a conversation with George Stephanopoulos on "This Week"...... "Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come." Here's the link for the story... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=74635 From newsweek is this little bit of trivia ... http://www.newsweek.com/id/168062 The American Muslim Task Force on Civil Rights and Elections released a poll today of over 600 Muslims from more than 10 states, including Florida and Pennsylvania, and it revealed that 89 percent of respondents voted for Obama, while only 2 percent voted for McCain. Now I realize that that alone it don't mean diddly, but even there is without a doubt bad Catholics, bad Baptists, etc explains the 2% who voted right wing,....here's the point I'm trying to make and will make it with the help of the Queeran...... http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co.../int/long.html Check this one out for yourself. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52 Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63 Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57 Now, the point of the matter, if obama is a Christian why did so many muslims vote for him when the queeran tells them non believers are the enemy....think about it for a minute and see how a cult so protective of their religion ( remember the Dutch cartoons ) and how quickly they raise to violence vote for a non muslim ??? We'll see when he takes the oath of office, if it's changed to suit him and if her is sworn in on the queeran, reckon that will answer all questions won't it?
I must say that the anti-muslim hysteria is stronger NOW than it was immediately following 9/11! And, the only thing that I can see that is driving that is the ignorance of some who believe Obama is a Muslim!
Oh, and BTW.... looking over the list of "laws" or crimes you listed as part of Sharia law, I couldn't help recognizing many as being very similar to Old Testament Jewish law... and even certain aspects of early American history.
The difference between OT and Jewish Torah and the NT is Jesus Christ. Christ taught love and compassion not death for non believers.
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#17
11-09-2008, 12:27 AM
this is another useful post from "2", you don't agree with him you are his enemy and he only knows how to call you names, not debate. Why don't you go troll some other website an leave us alone. You add absolutely nothing here.
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11-09-2008, 02:55 AM
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In the first link, remember that a "Fatwa" is a holy decree. That is how much Islam enters into the private lives. It comes down to... "Do you always have to wipe your butt with the right hand, or can you use the left hand if the right one has been removed?"
Yes, even how to have sex. The woman on the bottom and the man on top so that the woman may not leave until the man releases her. And, if it were to reach that point, those of us that have blue eyes might want to consider colored contact lenses to make them look brown. Blue eyes are the mark of the Devil ever since the Crusades of the middle ages. The warning about getting into Islamic banking, and the studying of Islamic banking is interesting. I don't understand why the warning. Ok, but what if you got a broken leg or are tired ...can the woman assume top position then ?
#19
11-09-2008, 04:36 AM
partssman said:
Wasn't England there too Hobo? They now are an islamic nation more or less.
They now have sharia courts to over rule and infer [interfere] with their courts.
Your head is deeply hid in the sand or firmly wedged up your butt. I don't know which, but you need to really do some research and find out for yourself the facts.
The other two were interesting, but don't really support your claims. The Daily Mail article clearly shows that MOST Muslims reject the decision made by those who THOUGHT they were doing the right thing. The third link BEGINS with an homage to the American constitutional form of government, and all but concurs with my opinion that we are in no danger of what you are so afraid of.
http://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/200...-good-one.html
Muslims in England are seeking a ban on non-Muslim activities in public schools: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-Muslims.html Church school renames Three Little Pigs to avoid offending Muslims http://islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/...sh-Schools.htm The Tragedy of Islamic Indoctrination In British Schools
Glad to see I'm not the only one effected with the knee jerk disease :lol:
However, B. Hussein Obama on national tv did say in a conversation with George Stephanopoulos on "This Week"......
"Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come." Here's the link for the story... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=74635
From newsweek is this little bit of trivia ... http://www.newsweek.com/id/168062
The American Muslim Task Force on Civil Rights and Elections released a poll today of over 600 Muslims from more than 10 states, including Florida and Pennsylvania, and it revealed that 89 percent of respondents voted for Obama, while only 2 percent voted for McCain. McCain and the moral majority are influenced by (if not PREACHING) religious intolerance and supremacy. Obama and the Democrats believe in "inclusion" of all faiths, nationalities and cultures under the Constitution that ensures them all "equal rights."
Now I realize that that alone it don't mean diddly, but even there is without a doubt bad Catholics, bad Baptists, etc explains the 2% who voted right wing,
....here's the point I'm trying to make and will make it with the help of the Queeran......
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co.../int/long.html Check this one out for yourself. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52 Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63 Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57 Although there is a common strain throughout the Qu'ran that disbelievers will be punished by GOD/Allah.... there are only a FEW versus that could be interpreted by the extremists as a "command" to take on that responsibilty themselves. This is almost identically "mirrored" in our own Holy Bible. The fact that there are a small percentage of "fundamentalist/extremists" of the Muslim faith, is mirrored in our society by the "haters/fearmongerers" of which you seem to be a member.
Now, the point of the matter, if obama is a Christian why did so many muslims vote for him when the queeran tells them non believers are the enemy....think about it for a minute and see how a cult so protective of their religion ( remember the Dutch cartoons ) and how quickly they raise to violence vote for a non muslim ???
Muslim-Americans (and please NOTE the classification) voted for Obama because they are a minority and suffer religious discrimination (such as profiling) by the GOP... and because most of them are affected by the economy just like the rest of us and/or are against the war in Iraq. http://www.mafo2008.com/page/page/sh...%3APage%3A4028
We'll see when he takes the oath of office, if it's changed to suit him and if he is sworn in on the queeran, reckon that will answer all questions won't it?
Reckon I'm one of the ignorant ones. Good thing is I ain't alone wallerin' in my ignorance.
By the way, I see you're in NC too....when they're chasing you on their camels swinging their knives wanting your head.....don't come banging on my door wanting an ak and a few mags :lol:
There ya go Hobo, wondered when you were gonna come up with that one. Jusify the queeran.
Bet the "embrace diversity" crowd is proud of you.
I'd say you think the Christian were wrong in the "Crusades" too.
However, I see that in all the wars being fought on this planet today.....I'd bet that 90% or better involve the religion of pieces.
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#20
11-09-2008, 09:27 AM
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No.... but, you are in the advanced stages and I'm afraid it is terminal with you. I just catch a cold now and then. :rofl:
Or you are blinded by your fear and won't be satisfied with the facts of the matter.
Again... did you read the entire article?
Obama and the Democrats believe in "inclusion" of all faiths, nationalities and cultures under the Constitution that ensures them all "equal rights."
We are not at war with the entire Muslim world! It is ONLY the extremists that want to kill us.
Although there is a common strain throughout the Qu'ran that disbelievers will be punished by GOD/Allah.... there are only a FEW versus that could be interpreted by the extremists as a "command" to take on that responsibilty themselves. This is almost identically "mirrored" in our own Holy Bible.
The fact that there are a small percentage of "fundamentalist/extremists" of the Muslim faith, is mirrored in our society by the "haters/fearmongerers" of which you seem to be a member.
I did think about it. I HAD to in order to understand what you are thinking. But, you are wrong. (Where's my tinfoil hat?) You see a conspiracy that says they would/could only vote for a MUSLIM as president of the U.S. Apparently, you will go to no end to twist the facts to support your erroneous suspicions. So sad.
Muslim-Americans (and please NOTE the classification) voted for Obama because they are a minority and suffer religious discrimination (such as profiling) by the GOP... and because most of them are affected by the economy just like the rest of us and/or are against the war in Iraq. Damn you're digging deep in the bag today....first conspiracy and now profiling. Profiling in my opinion is nothing more than the application of common sense.
I hope it does. Apparently, you are unaware that he has already sworn an oath to office ON THE HOLY BIBLE.
Unfortunately, you are finally RIGHT about something.
Don't worry. If it ever comes to that, Obama will have returned my National Guard to "our" state to deal with it. If that doesn't work... I am surrounded by rednecks clinging to their guns and religion! :lol2::lol2:
I am a "bitter clingger" as defined by B.Hussein Obama and pretty dang proud of the fact. Just remember when the SHTF, us rednecks and our guns are your only hope to keep from being beheaded. 
I am not justifying anything.... including the misinterpreted teachings of the Christian "Bible." I am merely pointing out the truth that all cultures stem from the same religious beliefs.
Don't know about them, but my Southern Baptist preacher father, who taught me that Christ taught religious tolerance is VERY proud of me. And IF there IS a "god of ALL creation" I'm sure HE is proud of me, too. Can you say the same?
For the most part, yes. I also think the Catholics were wrong during the period of "the Inquisition."
You would have LOVED Fozzy! BTW... and don't take this wrong.... were you a member before the changeover? If so... by the same or different name? I just like to know with WHOM I am having a "friendly debate."
A site was started by the now belly up politically uncensored crowd and I drop by and visit with them on a regular basis. No where left to go and debate the left in a friendly manner like at LU. We had some good ones there, but no more. I do enjoy debates as long as they don't turn ugly or into pissing contests....so far I'd say we've had a good 'un and thus far it's been pretty much a draw......:moon:
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