The problem with calculations is that they are just that, calculations, no hard facts of what the building will stand up to. He prolly calculated on a plane flying in at about 300 mph, not double that. The appeared explosions that took place, were from the pancaking effect. Once one floor gave way, you had an enormous weight dropping 20 feet, there is your "explosion" 70 floors up. The rumbling, feeling of an explosion if the building giving away and falling when it's spine breaks. Ever been on the scene of an implosion?? One heck of a rumble as the buildings come down and you don't even feel the dynamite charges going off. UTurn answered the question on Building 7, never has such 2 large buildings ever come down that we have a set precedent on what would happen to buildings around them. Non-nut case physic people can tell you that the downward rush of the 2 Towers exerted enough outward air pressure at the bottom that anything near them would be destroyed as if a bomb went off. BTW, there was also a CIA and FBI office in the Towers.

Your severed columns at ground level are again, from the planes. The entire building was shook all the way down to the core when they hit. The top of the building swayed a major amount, from the looks of it more than 75 feet, it normally sways prolly 20 feet on a windy day. No controlled explosions were set off, not enough time to set charges precisely unless down in the days leading up to 9/11 at which someone would have noticed and would have come out before now about it.

The fires were not being brought under control, the firemen could not get up to them. They could get 1 or 2 floors but not all of the 6 or more floors the fires were burning on. Just listen to the people who were trapped on floors above that made it out alive, they passed the firefighters on their way up. Some of the people said they were just reaching ground level when the buildings started falling, not enough time to even come close to bringing the fires under control.

I will go with UTurn on the :"Look sometime in the next week or two (or even if they said on 9/11) there will be a mass hijacking of several airliners with the intent of using them as WMD's." We did know, but what were we supposed to do, ground all planes that day?? We had no idea what flights, airports or what they even looked like. We did take the Pacific plot seriously and stopped it before it happened because we were given exact info on which flights to look out for.

 

I understand what you are saying, and the part about knowing and not knowing exactly enough so that it wasn't possible to ground all planes... that's what I always thought.

Here is the link to the precise part of the presentation about the diagonally severed columns:
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-125.php

Here's the link about designing the building to withstand impact of a jet hitting at any location on the building:
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-87.php

I'll go see if I can find the page where the firemen are talking about having the fires nearly under control...

 

Did you ever see the movie Gargoyles? at the end, they provide evidence to prove that gargoyles really exist, it's very convincing.

 

And don't forget...Blair Witch, Sasquatch (Bigfoot), and the Loch Ness. :lol: :P

 

But what about the firemen?

http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-120.php

 

why do you think there were so many reports of explosions?
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-160.php

 

Well, you guys get points (I hope I'm not speaking too soon)...

I got banned for posting the Architects and Engineers presentation on a stock trading forum:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showth...7&goto=newpost


It was interesting in that without looking at the presentation many assumed that the conspiracry theory under discussion was that there were no planes, which was thoroughly debunked by Poplular Mechanics.

The majority of the traders who responded saying what an idiot I must be to believe this trash had obviously not looked at the A and E presentation...

I was surprised to be banned for posting the topic.

And I applaud you for discussing it without banning me. (hopefully that continues to be true)

 

I doubt you'll ever get banned for voicing your opinion. You're not hurting anyone or their feelings, at least not to my knowledge. Even if you were, it's America, and that's your opinion. :wink:

My opinion, is that you should go back to being the skeptic that you were previously. Do you know how easy it is to manipulate an audio/visual presentation?

 

Whew!

My belief in you guys is well placed.

Yes, I know how easy it is to manipulate audio visual... but there are over 300 pages to the presentation, and much of it consists of original clips from the time...

I still can't find the part where the fireman said they had the fires about under control, that the flames were still licking the wall... but I'll keep looking.

To me, the questions raised by the Architects and Engineers presentation that are the most compelling are:

1. How did BBC, Giuliani and others know that building 7 was going to collapse before it did... especially since it was not hit by a plane...?

2. What caused the diagonal cuts to the columns 7 stories below ground?

3. How did it happen that there were hot spots and molten steel over a week after the disaster if thermite (which is not hindered by water) were not used?

 

Consider, I saw something a bit ago about some conspiracy's that were so outlandish that I had to laugh. Some were major leaps in faith where you had to forget what you saw on TV that day. I believe one of the groups were students from Columbia University. They made a great case for their belief as to what really happened but alas, I remembered what I saw on Live TV that day which competely trashed their theory. None of these theory's explain why we would destroy our own buildings in New York without finding a legit theory for the Pentagon getting hit also. Seems odd that we could mobilize a team so quickly in New York to bring those Towers down but not do anymore to the Pentagon.

What about the theory of the one flight being shot down over PA?? Yes, scrambled fighter jets could get to Mach 1 and be over Somerset, PA in just minutes from DC but it doesn't explain the cockpit recorder. Lot of people hold this theory that it was shot down yet the voice recorder tells a different story. You hear 2 hijackers, one asks if they should crash it(the plane,) the other says to hold on a minute due to some commotion that can be heard in the background. Minute later, you hear something beating on something and 1 hijacker yells to put it down, take it down, crash it now. The data recorder then shows the plane rolling nearly upside down and doing a nosedive. No way do you have a coincidental missile shot from a jet hitting at the exact same time like the theory nuts want you to believe.