[Consider]

I've been relatively sceptical about the 9/11 conspiracy theories...

but I went to this link anyway, and ... it's a very geeky presentation done by a architect... and I think some engineers, I forget...

(it's PowerPoint, so you have to click from page to page, which seemed rather clunky to me in the beginning)

but take a look:
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/index.php

By the end of the material on building #7 I was genuinely surprised. By the time I watched the material on the severed columns... I wanted to put this link here so you could take a look.
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[Scoe]

You're not paranoid...they really are out to get you!! :shock:


Even former president Clinton, love him or hate him, the hero of the left wing said these 9/11 conspiratorial theories are just plain nuts.

Same thing goes for Bill Mahar, one of Bush's worst critics.

[Consider]

I take it you didn't watch the presentation...

[Consider]

Watch the bit on building 7.

I watched it yesterday, and again today...

[Uturn2001]

I admit I did not read every page of this "presentation" but I did read enough to get see that this person or group thinks the WTC collapsed due to a controlled explosion like the ones they use to demolish buildings quickly.

I see two flaws, and to me they are major ones.

While the point of no modern steel frame building ever collapsed as a result of fire, I did not see the point made that there has never been a modern steel framed building of that size ever struck full on by a modern jet airliner that was virtually full of fuel.

Typical fires reach temps of what? Several hundred degrees. The fuel fed fires were estimated at reaching temps of what? Several thousand degrees.

The second flaw in this theory is that it usually takes months for experts at doing this to plan and place the explosives, which must be done with precision. I have a hard time seeing how the government could send in a demolition team and have them place the large quanity of explosives that it would require for the building to collapse as this group's theory says without someone noticing.

Sorry I just do not buy into this. Until I see something that uses some logic across the board I will stick to the "theory" that the steel in the building were subjected to extreme amounts of heat which caused it to weaken, even totally melt in some locations, and eventually give way. The ultimate cause of the collapse: Jumbo jets piloted by nut cases.

[Double R]

And there are black helicopters flying overhead :roll:
(not meant for UTURN but the post above his)

[Consider]

Originally Posted by Uturn2001

I admit I did not read every page of this "presentation" but I did read enough to get see that this person or group thinks the WTC collapsed due to a controlled explosion like the ones they use to demolish buildings quickly.

I see two flaws, and to me they are major ones.

While the point of no modern steel frame building ever collapsed as a result of fire, I did not see the point made that there has never been a modern steel framed building of that size ever struck full on by a modern jet airliner that was virtually full of fuel.

Typical fires reach temps of what? Several hundred degrees. The fuel fed fires were estimated at reaching temps of what? Several thousand degrees.

The second flaw in this theory is that it usually takes months for experts at doing this to plan and place the explosives, which must be done with precision. I have a hard time seeing how the government could send in a demolition team and have them place the large quanity of explosives that it would require for the building to collapse as this group's theory says without someone noticing.

Sorry I just do not buy into this. Until I see something that uses some logic across the board I will stick to the "theory" that the steel in the building were subjected to extreme amounts of heat which caused it to weaken, even totally melt in some locations, and eventually give way. The ultimate cause of the collapse: Jumbo jets piloted by nut cases.

Yes, I admit that the presentation is a bit drear.... but the questions you raise are indeed addressed.

A bomber hit the Empire State Building ... it shows that later.

And, it also shows that most of the fuel from the one plane that hit was shot out the other side, so there wasn't that much left inside.

Then later on it talks about the heat from the fires from the fuel... that bit was harder for me to follow, but some fellows on some other forum found that bit the most compelling...

did you watch it far enough to see the "hot spot" material...? and the cut columns?

I went and got what one of the fellows wrote:

Well, it takes awhile to go through the whole thing, but they absolutely tear the guts out of the “official government explanation”.

This is an excellent point.
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-150.php

And this section kills the myth that fire brought down the towers.
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-239.php

[Consider]

Originally Posted by Double R

And there are black helicopters flying overhead :roll:
(not meant for UTURN but the post above his)

I'm surprised you didn't look at the presentation. I can tell that you didn't.

It's hard to follow because it's so expert-like. Being written by architects and engineers.

Also it's long.

But if you were to look at it, you would find yourself thinking...

[Double R]

Originally Posted by Consider

I'm surprised you didn't look at the presentation. I can tell that you didn't.

It's hard to follow because it's so expert-like. Being written by architects and engineers.

Also it's long.

But if you were to look at it, you would find yourself thinking...

I did look at it thank you. The WHOLE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have also watched the documentries on the history channel and A&E. I still do not and will not buy the "conspericy theory". So like I said:
Look up, there are black helicopters everywhere :roll:

[Consider]

Originally Posted by Double R

I did look at it thank you. The WHOLE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have also watched the documentries on the history channel and A&E. I still do not and will not buy the "conspericy theory". So like I said:
Look up, there are black helicopters everywhere :roll:

lol

sorry, but it's over 200 pages long.

you are either a speed reader or you didn't read it...

how do you explain the fact it fell down precisely into its own foot print?

Why is this demolition expert so unbelieving?
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-51.php

(you have to click on his picture, I think, to watch the video)

I can see why you don't want to believe it.