Election 2008
#51
01-17-2007, 05:22 AM
saw Obama on CNN last night, officially announcing his candidacy.
He sure sounded different than before. More energy. Still, I want to hear what he's got to say about REAL changes he intends on making. I want to hear specifically WHAT he getting excited about.
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#52
01-17-2007, 10:49 AM
Sen. Obama has NOT announced his "candidacy." He has announced the formation of an exploratory effort. His decision concerning running will not be made until early February.
Although I didn't think it was a wise choice of words.... Obama OPENLY admitted that his next move is to travel around the country to "determine" just WHAT the major issues facing the country ARE... in the words of the people. I applaud his HONESTY and openness. Are his comments and visions "vague" at the moment? Yes. But no more so than others at this point in the game. Just keepin' it real.
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#53
01-17-2007, 10:59 AM
Uturn said:
It would not suprise me if when it is all said and done the ballot sees Obama and Clinton on the ticket as Prez/Vp. Now who is who is going to be the interesting question.
I would LIKE to think that we have progressed to that point, but recent political developments and judicial decisions.... BOTH colored by Moral Majoritist views do not give me much hope. I FIRMLY believe to this day that, regardless of the popular vote count, and any thievery that may have occured..... Gore was not elected IN PART because of having a Jewish V.P. candidate. There is JUST too much prejudice remaining in this country, and especially in the Electoral College.
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#54
01-17-2007, 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by mowman
The electorate seems to understand that, but - again - I think he has what it takes to break rules.
To do so, though, he has to start getting his hands dirty talking about real issues. He's not done this yet. He seems to sense (and I agree) that he can be a black candidate acceptable to white voters. Sooner or later, though, he'll be forced (by the "Civil Rights Leadership") to speak to these issues. So far, though, he's been doing nothing but talking dreamily of non-specific new ideas and working together to get things done. At this stage of the game, the rule is that you elevate your public profile, but hold your cards as tightly to your chest as possible, and stay away from specific issues, or laying out specific strategies to deal with issues as much as possible. That way, you don't become as easy a target. The whole idea is to gain public recognition, and a positive view in the public opinion polls, so that a candidate has a shot at raising some serious money to wage a viable campaign. The only time candidates will announce their intentions this early in the game is because they have no choice to. Who knows. It worked for Reagan (Shining City on the Hill), but then again, Reagan had much experience as governor of California. A matter worthy of note was that before he became President, Ronald Regan had spent very little time outside of The united States. IIRC, it was fewer than 100 days!!
#55
01-17-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
.... Obama OPENLY admitted that his next move is to travel around the country to "determine" just WHAT the major issues facing the country ARE... in the words of the people.
#56
01-17-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Useless
At this stage of the game, the rule is that you elevate your public profile, but hold your cards as tightly to your chest as possible, and stay away from specific issues, or laying out specific strategies to deal with issues as much as possible. That way, you don't become as easy a target.
Osama's game is personality. The great uniter.
Originally Posted by Useless
The only time candidates will announce their intentions (I take this to mean position on issues) this early in the game is because they have no choice to.
Not true for issue-based candidacies. Consider Tancredo on the GOP side.
Originally Posted by Useless
A matter worthy of note was that before he became President, Ronald Regan had spent very little time outside of The united States. IIRC, it was fewer than 100 days!!
An excellent point. His experience as an executive trumped that, I think. It's going to be interesting to watch Obama. He's really building a cult of personality and is countering the jabs very well. The most impressive one I've heard regarding his experience: "With Rumsfeld and Cheney, we've had the most experienced foreign policy team we've ever had... And look what that's got us."
#58
01-17-2007, 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by mowman
Originally Posted by golfhobo
.... Obama OPENLY admitted that his next move is to travel around the country to "determine" just WHAT the major issues facing the country ARE... in the words of the people.
I was referring to his statement about his intentions to travel around (meet and greet) and "discover" what the issues facing the people were. I found this to be an unfortunate choice of words. It gives ammunition to his opponents, like say HRC, and shows that he is "inexperienced" or "unknowledgable" about the issues he would face as President. I'm not saying other candidates haven't said similar things. It was just the way he said it, and his timing, that made him look too much like a "rookie." I LIKE Obama. I'd hate to see him shoot himself in the foot.
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#59
01-17-2007, 08:01 PM
Useless said:
As someone who voted for Bush43 twice for Governor, and once for President, I think that both he and The Republican party deserve quite a bit of blame!!
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#60
01-18-2007, 01:07 AM
Sad, but somewhat true!!!
In any event, since I voted for him, no one can accuse me of being some hard left winged liberal!! So, if I speak critically of Bush, no one can say that I'm a "wacko liberal" with axes to grind!! Add to it, I know of other Republicans, or Republican leaning voters who crossed party lines, especially in the '06 Mid-Term Elections. In any event, he has only two years left, and with the new look on Capitol hill, there will be less damage that he can do!! |
