Christocrats trying to sneak their BS into schools here.
#11
10-19-2006, 05:51 AM
Re: Christocrats trying to sneak their BS into schools here.
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Did you read the article you linked to?
Why else would I have posted it? I don't see as how teaching abstinence would be wrong coming from a religious or secular stand point. That's your problem. If you cannot see the difference is teaching abstinence other than making some flying spaghetti monster mad, then your part of the problem rather than the salution. If its good enough for you for the drug addicts and feeding and clothing the poor why would it be wrong in this case. The feds wanted to help people on the local level in areas where there was no federal programs in place. Locals helping locals is the idea behind this. There are already teachers in the schools who can teach health related subjects. Offering our children up to religious mumbo jumbo is not the same thing. I see you or your son have been in the military and as you know this country you have fought for was founded on religious freedom and beliefs, so whats wrong with this picture. Exactly, the country was founded on religious freedoms, you can attend the church of your choice and indoctrinate yourself to whatever you want to. This is not the same thing as inserting a religious program into the schools under the guise of health education. If this were some pagan or Jewish program, can you honestly say that there would be acceptance from Christian groups? Everyone has the right to reject religion and learning about it will never hurt anyone!! If my children are going to be force fed religion, its not going to be at a public school. And again, if this were about some other religion, I'll bet that you'd have a huge problem with it. Most people are never happy unless the have something to B@#ch about!! Yeah, Like the "gay" teletubbie and the evil satanic carebears.
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#12
10-19-2006, 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by yoopr
And Exactly what does this have to do with Trucking? The Topic for this section is Anything and Everything Truck Related.
All you're trying to do is Inflame and Doth Protesteth Too Much
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#13
10-19-2006, 06:08 AM
Originally Posted by yoopr
And Exactly what does this have to do with Trucking? The Topic for this section is Anything and Everything Truck Related.
All you're trying to do is Inflame and Doth Protesteth Too Much I can't tell if this response was meant for ME, or the original poster, but without taking offense, I'll answer. 1) I was told by other (lesser?) Mods that THIS was the subforum for discussing politics, religion and other controversial subjects. 2) Look at your answer, then look at the Forum heading. You seem to have left out the word "Driver." We are all Truck DRIVERS, and as such, have kids in school, representatives in government, crime in our neighborhoods, etc.... Therefore, I can't think of any topic that would NOT be related to us in some way. We have a community of posters here who like to discuss things OTHER than JUST trucking. It would be a crime to make us all find another forum to do so, and have to invite all our friends here to go there for the discussion. Seems to me that this subforum could be just done away with based on your logic. Anything and Everything TRUCKING related can go in the Newbies forum. Have a nice day.... and keep your finger off the button!! :lol: :lol:
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#14
10-19-2006, 06:08 AM
Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Cool....Im a Christocrat. I like that. Too bad I cant fit it on my licence plate or it would be there tomorrow.
As far as public schools....honestly, I dont really care about them or what they teach. I just dont lose any sleep over it. Its really a non issue for me. I send my kids to private Christian schools. However, I would love to get a huge tax write off for sending my kids to Private school. Being that I dont care about public schools, I dont use public schools so I dont think I should have to PAY for public schools. However, as long as I am paying taxes towards public schools although Im not using them, I will continue to try to force my "Christocrat" ideology.
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10-19-2006, 06:25 AM
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You know if the founding fathers wanted sex education in schools.....they would have had sex education in schools back then.
On thats same note, if the founding fathers didnt want prayer in school, their kids wouldnt have had prayer in school...WHICH THEY DID. The point was this, Hobo....I dont need to join the Taliban....Im happy to not push my "Christian Agenda" on public schools WHEN I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM. I dont ask you to pay for my kids Christian schools. The way I see it, since Im paying for them just like you,I own part of them. So I should have an equal say in what they teach.
#16
10-19-2006, 06:27 AM
ssoutlaw said:
I don't like the idea that these rights are being snuffed out like people like you.
Your right Yoopr this has nothing to do with trucking maybe we need a forum for this. I don't think it should be forced, but given the same consideration as everything else. The PUBLIC school system is not the right "forum" for teaching Christian morals, either. That's what churches and parents are for. Religion classes are O.K. as an "elective." That would fall under the Liberal Arts part of the curriculum. But, health classes should be science based. They are about teaching about the body, its 'biological' functions - such as the human sex drive, and diseases and how they are contracted. However, I would have no objection to one simple statement at the beginning of each class relating to such that, "The best way to avoid the consequences, is to avoid the act." That is factual.... not moral.
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#17
10-19-2006, 06:58 AM
Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
You know if the founding fathers wanted sex education in schools.....they would have had sex education in schools back then.
I agree with you on this. I think they felt that sex education should be handled at HOME. Wish that it still was! But, reproduction science and communicable diseases are part of HEALTH issues. I think equal and minimal coverage should be given to ALL methods of "contraceiving" pregnancy and disease. No more... no less. On that same note, if the founding fathers didnt want prayer in school, their kids wouldnt have had prayer in school...WHICH THEY DID. Hmm.... I might have to do some research here. Let's not confuse the Puritan settlers and their church based schooling of their children with the establishment (whenever it was) of the tax based, PUBLIC school system in America. Like I said, I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that from the inception of the Cabinet level administration of the Public School System, prayer was NOT part of it. I sure don't remember it when I was growing up. If it was?? It was unconstitutional! The point was this, Hobo....I dont need to join the Taliban....Im happy to not push my "Christian Agenda" on public schools WHEN I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM. I dont ask you to pay for my kids Christian schools. The way I see it, since Im paying for them just like you,I own part of them. So I should have an equal say in what they teach. And since you don't use public transportation, but you help pay for it, you get to insist on the routes or decor of the buses, trains, subways? Will you want to force prayer on public buses? Mandate a cross on at least ONE wall of all public housing? Dictate that ONLY Christian gods can be prayed to in foxholes? You didn't say earlier "I should have an equal say." You said, "I will continue to try to FORCE my "Christocrat" IDEOLOGY." Since I have to pay equally for our military forces, can I FORCE my ideology of PEACE?? INSIST on which wars we can fight and which not? Forcing our children to be taught the morality of abstinence ONLY as the state supported method of contraception, is not such a huge leap from the Taliban stoning women who commit adultery. Besides, being a Conservative, I can't imagine why you wouldn't support anything and everything that reduces the number of unwanted children. Unless your Moral ambition outweighs your Common sense.
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#19
10-19-2006, 07:24 AM
Originally Posted by yoopr
1) I was told by other (lesser?) Mods that THIS was the subforum for discussing politics, religion and other controversial subjects.
Keep your little Cheap comments to yourself But, you really need to get you one of them superhero costumes for your avatar! 
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#20
10-19-2006, 07:28 AM
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"What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ." - George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779.
MAN....if that isnt enough to make a liberals skin crawl, I dont know what is. Just think about it...George Washington telling Indians that all kids should be taught Christianity in schools. "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible." - George Washington Wow...he used the word "impossible". I would think he was strongly opinionated about it. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams Damn those pesky Founding fathers....mixing religion with the Constitution! "The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity." - John Adams These few quotes only took a few minutes of my time. If i wasnt at work and had more time, I could find 100s of others. Remember the words "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" are no where in the Constitution. Our fouding fathers were very much 'PRO CHRISTIAN MORALITY" in our Gov. But what the Founding fathers did agree on is that you have the RIGHT to disagree with them. What you libs will never be able to do is change history. |
