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#141
09-02-2006, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Bush is a recovering alcoholic and coke user. He was "saved" from his evil ways late in life.
As the son of a minister, I have witnessed this late in life conversion many times. Almost ALWAYS these people become fanatical about their newfound life and religion. Remember the "Jesus Freaks" of the 70's??? Bush admitted before the whole nation that he was "directed" by a Higher Power in his quest to bring freedom and democracy to those who never asked for it! I'm not saying he wants to convert the Muslims. Just that he believes God has picked him to end this battle between good and evil once and for all! I lived in England most of the 70s, so I'm a little unclear on the Jesus Freaks. I would have thought being a Jesus Freak would be good, maybe a little over the top, but enthusiastic. He may believe God picked him. But I don't think he went into Iraq for a higher good. I am seriously convinced he went in for profit. Major profit. There's going to be a program on war profiteering tomorrow night on pbs. On the NOW program. I don't know what time it runs, and I don't know it it's about this war or wars in general.
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#142
09-02-2006, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by draginzwagon
This is a very interesting thread, I just read all 10 page's. WOW!
I don't understand Liberal's ,there agenga is mind boggaling,It's there only purpose in life is to hate Bush. What get's me is they hate him mostly for a suposed lie.
In terms of Bush, I think he's rather cute, as looks go, and I think his speeches are a riot to see on late night talk shows. What I dislike is that he lied about the weopons of mass destruction. And he's hauling out the same old Terrorists, Be afraid of the terrorists! talk now.
Let me give you a update Bush didn't lie about WMD, they know for a fact they where there, becuase it was the US that sold them to Iraq in first place back when Iran and Iraq was at war, to gain confidence in the region. At that time it was a way for the us start a foot hold in the region, one favor deseves another sort of thing. Things went south, Sahdam took over and used them on his own people. We would have got them back if not for the Communist News Network(CNN) and the rest of the Liberal controlled media giving Sahdam a 3 month countdown on the start date of the war. All the WMD some how made it's way to Sireia, and who know's where. I'll give you hint, How do think Iran may have come across some weapons grade plutonium, and be able to to now have,or real close to having a Nuke!! It's just a coincedence that it is only a couple of years after the war started. Why would Bush say they were there knowing his "LIe" would be uncovered, making himself the fool. Somehow I don't believe you can become a President of the United States being a idoit. Bush is no Idiot he may not make popular disions but the man is not a idiot. The problem I see is that too many people believe the new's media and not the truth. You have to search for truth,not just believe what you hear. You are probably right about us supplying them with materials to make weapons of mass destruction. but.. But, the record is pretty clear that they were all destroyed as per... I forget who gave the directive, the UN? I don't know. But there weren't any left in Iraq. So.... it wasn't true that they had WMD in the present time. In terms of Iran and enriched ... I just cannot remember the actual words... is it uranium? or plutonium? Anyway, there have been a slew of programs on how that stuff is really easy to get. Russia for instance hardly has any safeguards on theirs at all, in many situations. I live near Los Alamos, and you know how often Los Alamos has been in the news for a lack of security. Iran could have bought some from... I don't know, North Korea... India... Plus, I think you make it, I think that's the trick, just plain making it. So I'm not against Bush because of CNN. (I had never heard it called Communist News Network before.) I'm against him because he puts personal profit before the good of the people of this nation. 
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#143
09-02-2006, 08:24 AM
Well that's the job description of a US President, doesn't matter what there name is: BUsh,Clinton,or who ever the next President will be it will be more of the same. We as a nation have been sold out. By our Gov. at large, the President is just the first person in a long line of theiving corpurt , Bas#$$%!
We need to clean house and start over,beginning with state gov. and work our way to Washington,DC.
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#144
09-02-2006, 09:32 AM
Draggin said:
The problem I see is that too many people believe the new's media and not the truth. You have to search for truth,not just believe what you hear.
And do you really believe that Saddam, at a time when he was NOT really expecting an American invasion, would give his WMD to his ARCH enemy IRAN?? :roll: Yeah, I know we gave Saddam the WMD. And I know he was a dictator and committed genocide. But, the WMD weren't there when we invaded, and THAT was Bush's rationale for taking us to war. That and how he was a threat to his neighbors! Which is total BS! I don't hate him so much because he LIED. I hate him because he is incompetent, dangerous, powerhungry, willing to cheat, steal and manipulate to get powers NOT given to the executive branch, perhaps traitorous to the constitution, and a religious fanatic. And I would feel the same if I had voted for him! Liberals hate Bush because he is an elitist, who serves ONLY the rich in America at the expense of the less fortunate. And because he has involved us in a war of attrition that we might not win! And yes, he IS an idiot! And a shirker of his Guard duties, because he was "Daddy's boy" and felt he could get out of it. Every time he mentions the name of a fallen soldier, he disgraces him because of his own record. He is bought and paid for by big oil interests. He is NO defender of our country OR its constitution. As Sean Connery's character said in Hunt for Red October: He is a "buckaroo." And he's dangerous!
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#145
09-02-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by draginzwagon
Well that's the job description of a US President, doesn't matter what there name is: BUsh,Clinton,or who ever the next President will be it will be more of the same. We as a nation have been sold out. By our Gov. at large, the President is just the first person in a long line of theiving corpurt , Bas#$$%!
We need to clean house and start over,beginning with state gov. and work our way to Washington,DC. I see, I see. YES!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#147
09-03-2006, 12:33 PM
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Hi,
If anyone is interested in the NOW voting story on pbs, it's going to be rerun tonight. I'm not sure of the time. Also, maybe you would be interested in this page of comments on the voting question... if it was a genuine election with the Diebold machines... anyway, take a look, if you want: http://www.pbs.org/now/php/quotes.php
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#148
09-03-2006, 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by MACK
Maybe Clinton was not afraid to use force but one time he should have he didn't.
Clinton was a diplomat. There is WAY more to being a President of the U.S. than JUST being Commander in Chief. He eliminated Reagan's triple digit defecit, and created a surplus. Bush has done the exact opposite. He could explain the most complicated American policies in a way the common man could understand. Bush can't talk his way out of dinner! He was one of US. Bush is one of THEM. It is a common fallacy of NeoCons and other Conservatives to claim that Democrats are weak when it comes to National Defense. Might I remind you that Kennedy stared down the Russian Bear LONG before Reagan asked politiely for his "friend" Gorbachev to tear down the wall? Johnson committed hundreds of thousands of troops (although unadvisedly) to Vietnam to fight Communism, and that it was FDR (re-elected by the majority of Americans 3 times) who commanded the full might of our military AND civilians against an aggressor? Is it jealousy that makes the Cons cry that the Democratic Intelligencia are weak? Or is it just "selective memory?" Wasn't it FDR who said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick?" Bush boasts loudly, and deploys an underequipped, understaffed force. So, WHO is the idiot here?
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#149
09-03-2006, 02:58 PM
Golfhobo, you are making arguments for the historically weak minded, or the selectively ignorant. I wont even address the Clinton VS Bush thing because its just silly for the most part. There is no way that you can compare "conservative vs liberal" in the generational context of the "WW2 and before generations" and the post war and generation X group. The two groups darn near became exact opposites of their former selves during the 60's. Kennedy would NEVER be elected nowadays as he was then. Kennedy was a conservative as they come.
The LBJ and Vietnam thing really irritates me because the rage at the time (and for the last thirty years) was to blame Nixon for the war. There are just too many topics within the topic to discuss here.
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#150
09-03-2006, 04:16 PM
AHHH.... but, discuss... we MUST! :lol:
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Golfhobo, you are making arguments for the historically weak minded, or the selectively ignorant.
Umm... could you "diagram" the first half of that sentence? Am I making arguments for those who IYHO, have ALWAYS been weak minded? Or am I doing so for those who don't know much about History?? As for my "ignorance" meter.... Y'all keep it pegged WIDE OPEN! "I won't even address the Clinton VS Bush thing because its just silly for the most part. There is no way that you can compare "conservative vs liberal" in the generational context of the "WW2 and before generations" and the post war and generation X group." Nor would I TRY to! :lol: The two groups darn near became exact opposites of their former selves during the 60's. Kennedy would NEVER be elected nowadays as he was then. Kennedy was as conservative as they come. I believe he WOULD be! He was a STRONG leader with a vision AND a PLAN for the future! He was intelligent. He could be "diplomatic" yet strong, He was a rich man, sure.... but he offered his life to the country with military service, and championed the cause of the least of us! And he was NEVER 5 days LATE to a natural disaster! He would win today as a dead "write-in" against any Conservative/Republican candidate you can drum up.... including ELVIS! :lol: The LBJ and Vietnam thing really irritates me because the rage at the time (and for the last thirty years) was to blame Nixon for the war. Hmm.... must have missed the memo! As a democrat, I've NEVER blamed Nixon for the war. Maybe for being 'hawkish' enough to believe that "carpet bombing" would do the trick, but NEVER for getting us INTO it! I blame him ONLY for being a traitorous, Constitution burning, cheating, lying, powerhungry CROOK! [Hmm.... sounds familiar!]
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