Okay, I liked this... in a weird sort of way
 

it's not funny...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=61119

(CLICK TO WATCH)

If we could do polls, would more than 50% hate it?
...oh... we can!

(will I have to stay away for a couple months till you forget I posted it?)

....well...I guess I will be the first one to vote. Sorry, I have to lean toward I hated it. I watched the whole sad thing to be fair. Songs like this I know are important forms of expression.

Some of the message was okay, for a negative political song. One could also write a positive political song, with equal emotion, and create patriotism and uplifting spirit, instead of rebellion and dispair.

I love the freedom of expression we have, and a song like this does help a society recognize the need for reforms. I would never move to like say Canada, New Zealand, or anywhere else...because I feel like "We Can't Make It Here Anymore." I generally take a positive stance against anything negative. This song really does very little good in my opinion, and even leaves you feeling sad and hopeless. I hate when music is used like that.

Anyway, I realize you like this sort of expression, so I don't mean to belabor my feelings against it. Like I said earlier, I felt a few good points were raised, but diminished in the dispair. We are American's...we are not powerless, and we are not beaten.

If America falls, this whole world is going to fall with her. Our economy is linked to world economics. If we have to pull our troops home and not offer help to the weaker nations, they will CRY LOUDLY for our help again. Like a lost love, you don't know what you had until it's gone.
If America is brought to her knees, this whole world will suffer. China is becoming a real player, but they will not dance merrily in the streets laughing at us. They will be as nervous as a pig at a BBQ.

I really liked your post, a lot!

But at the last paragraph I had to disagree.

Yes, our economy is linked. They all are.

It's when you talk aobut pulling our troops home and not offering help...

Here's the thing, we've killed 129,000 Iraqis. That's not terrorists or soldiers or the Mahdi army (?) alone, that's people, moms, grandmas, kids.

Saddam did not kill that many.

So I don't think that there are many who see us as "helping."

To a lot of the world we are no longer their love, their lost love, but rather a stalker whom they fear, or possibly hate.

When I look at snearing Cheney, and hear him talk, I don't get a good feeling. I can understand that the people who went to the war, even volunteered, may believe as you do. But... Cheney made a HUGE amount of money from this war, and it's clear from several accounts that the war was desired by Cheney and others, and planned, and made to happen. It was planned way earlier than all the rhetoric about WMD.

To me, it's like when people worked in asbestos plants and played with the stuff, thinking it wonderful for it's fire retarding properties, but then it clogged their lungs. When those people are interviewed years after they had the job, their feelings are no longer that asbestos is fun. They wish they would have known about the dangers of asbestos.

To me, that's what the images in the video do, they tell us about the dangers... of Clinton and Bush. To me one of the most telling images was that of Bush with Clinton, Clinton with Bush.

Work a little on the Saddam figure for me. Just turn on the evening news and listen to his trial. They charge him with more deaths in 20 minutes then you can even imagine. By the way.... How the hell do you know that none of the people killed in wartime are not terrorists or out enemy. Last time I checked none of them wore a uniform or fought for a country.

As far as the US economy and the rest of the world... well lets just say we wont be a big power in the west when its all said and done. :wink:


PS, you have some neat conspiracy theories. :)

Run my conspiracy theory past me, will you?
I'm not aware of one, myself.

Yes, listen to the Saddam trial. The numbers of dead from him, were given at 100,000.

That is less than 129,000.

And some of the people he killed may have been murderers, just as some we killed may have been warriors, fighters.

You know what I really don't give a damn how many people we kill over there as long as we win and our troops are safe because in my mind our troops are more important than some peace of crap muslim that supposedly hate us.

Yeah they are safe if we will actually let them shoot at somebody before they get shot at.

As far as them liking us some will like us and others will always hate us no matter what we do but yeah if there is some civilian standing in between one of our soldiers and the enemy shoot the damn civilian.

We win like we did in World War2 by taking 300 planes at once each one haulling 20,000lbs of bombs and and droping them on cities untill they aren't anything more than a cloud of dust that is how we win the war.