WHY WORK FOR A OTR COMPANY GO LTL
#111
02-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by BanditsCousin
Well, I do know of a tanker company that runs 379's...but they ARE day cabs, so i don't think that counts!
 [/quote]I like my OTR gig, because I can sit and STILL make money Plus, my layovers are always in big cities and I get out of the truck more than freight haulers (generally) do.[/quote]eewww, big cities.
Higher cpm doesn't mean squat if the miles aren't there. Its all a balance, or for some, OTR is a starting point. I do agree that clearing 6-700 bucks a week OTR is horscrap.
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#112
02-08-2007, 09:54 AM
Dry van isn't the worst. CR pays less than most dry van companies, so its really and apples/oranges deal. Its all about the company you work for.
As far as big cities, would you rather be stuck in BUFU for 3 days or in a new town with sights to see? :wink: :lol:
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#113
02-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Since the gist of this thread is wages..here are some numbers..based solely on mileage pay:
1500 miles per week @ .275 cents per mile = $412.50 If you average 59 miles per hour, that is 25.43 hours of driving time, or $16.22 per hour. 2500 mpw @ .275 cpm = $687.50 @ 59 miles mph / 42.38 hours = $16.22 ph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $540.00 @ 59 mph / 25.42 hrs = $21.24 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $900.00 @ 59 mph / 42.37 hrs = $21.24 ph. Now...kick your mile per hour average up to 63 mph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 540.00 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $22.68 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 900.00 @ 63 mph / 39.69hrs = $22.68 ph. 1500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $652.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $27.40 ph 2500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $1,085.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $ 27.35 ph 1500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $817.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $34.33 ph 2500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $1,362.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $34.33 ph All things being equal, if you just have driving time and no work hours, even .36 cents per mile is a decent wage....if you get the miles. Now..take a 1500 mile week, and 70 available work hours. If you have basicly 24 hours of driving time, that leaves you with 46 hours available for work. If you actually worked all 46 of those hours, and your employer did not cut your hours due to the all to common 2 hour give away, and you were paid $13.25 per hour for labor, without any Overtime paid, your hourly wage for the week would be (46 x $13.25) $609.50 + mileage pay (@.275) of $412.50 = $1022 for a 70 hour week, or $14.60 per hour. @ .36 cpm your 70 hour wage would be $1149.50 or $16.42 per hour @ .435 cpm that 70 hour wage is $1262.00 or $18.03 ph. @ .545 cpm that 70 wage is $1972 or $28.17 ph. Which would you prefer? Driving time or Working time??
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#114
02-10-2007, 07:58 AM
Originally Posted by Uturn2001
Well for starters not everyone likes doing local type work. Many would like to spend more time running the open roads than constantly fighting city traffic.
Next those type of jobs are not available everywhere, and in some places where they do have them the competition is fierce. Next there are many companies that are now paying around 40 cpm for 1 or 2 years experience so the gap is less than it was a few years ago. Finally, if it was not for OTR drivers the local guys would have a lot less freight to haul. :P :P :P Keep on Truckin...
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#115
02-10-2007, 08:29 AM
Originally Posted by fasttruck
Originally Posted by ssoutlaw
Originally Posted by Ian Williams
Originally Posted by Smooth
Yeah , some people don't get it . There are 415 road drivers where I work , the top 200 have been there 10 years or more , that should say enough about the job itself . The thing is it's more the the .54 cpm , it's the $22 an hour where you make money to , guys rountinely get 10 or 20 hours a week on the clock either waiting on loads , broke down , sitting at a hotel or doing a drop and hook . But you don't have to believe any of this but I'm just stating a few more facts that all the other LTL guys can confirm. From my barn in Reno the "best" run on straight mileage is meet & turn for Salt Lake City for 528 miles. But going to Oakland (432 mi) and getting 3-4 hrs of dock is the biggest money maker. You can work the dock as long as you want, you just cant drive again until you have 10 hrs off! In theory you could write bills or do other office work. Many of our policies are similar to the NMFA. I suspect that is because management would strongly like to avoid the IBT, but that's a can of worms I'm going to leave closed. At my barn we do have one guy who does the P&D routing who goes over 60/7 when we are busy, but he has a special waver from the safety dept. He has to run a log to make sure he is legal for the the once in a blue moon when he has to drive, run the yard goat or a towmotor.
#116
02-10-2007, 08:39 AM
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Since the gist of this thread is wages..here are some numbers..based solely on mileage pay:
1500 miles per week @ .275 cents per mile = $412.50 If you average 59 miles per hour, that is 25.43 hours of driving time, or $16.22 per hour. 2500 mpw @ .275 cpm = $687.50 @ 59 miles mph / 42.38 hours = $16.22 ph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $540.00 @ 59 mph / 25.42 hrs = $21.24 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $900.00 @ 59 mph / 42.37 hrs = $21.24 ph. Now...kick your mile per hour average up to 63 mph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 540.00 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $22.68 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 900.00 @ 63 mph / 39.69hrs = $22.68 ph. 1500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $652.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $27.40 ph 2500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $1,085.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $ 27.35 ph 1500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $817.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $34.33 ph 2500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $1,362.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $34.33 ph All things being equal, if you just have driving time and no work hours, even .36 cents per mile is a decent wage....if you get the miles. Now..take a 1500 mile week, and 70 available work hours. If you have basicly 24 hours of driving time, that leaves you with 46 hours available for work. If you actually worked all 46 of those hours, and your employer did not cut your hours due to the all to common 2 hour give away, and you were paid $13.25 per hour for labor, without any Overtime paid, your hourly wage for the week would be (46 x $13.25) $609.50 + mileage pay (@.275) of $412.50 = $1022 for a 70 hour week, or $14.60 per hour. @ .36 cpm your 70 hour wage would be $1149.50 or $16.42 per hour @ .435 cpm that 70 hour wage is $1262.00 or $18.03 ph. @ .545 cpm that 70 wage is $1972 or $28.17 ph. Which would you prefer? Driving time or Working time?? I think I am going to copy this....since I never took the time to do the math....and figure it out it is definitely worth the trouble to retain...since you took the trouble to get it all down here... Keep on Truckin...
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#117
02-10-2007, 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Since the gist of this thread is wages..here are some numbers..based solely on mileage pay:
1500 miles per week @ .275 cents per mile = $412.50 If you average 59 miles per hour, that is 25.43 hours of driving time, or $16.22 per hour. 2500 mpw @ .275 cpm = $687.50 @ 59 miles mph / 42.38 hours = $16.22 ph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $540.00 @ 59 mph / 25.42 hrs = $21.24 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $900.00 @ 59 mph / 42.37 hrs = $21.24 ph. Now...kick your mile per hour average up to 63 mph. 1500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 540.00 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $22.68 ph. 2500 mpw @ .36 cpm = $ 900.00 @ 63 mph / 39.69hrs = $22.68 ph. 1500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $652.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $27.40 ph 2500 mpw @ .435 cpm = $1,085.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $ 27.35 ph 1500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $817.50 @ 63 mph / 23.81 hrs = $34.33 ph 2500 mpw @ .545 cpm = $1,362.50 @ 63 mph / 39.69 hrs = $34.33 ph All things being equal, if you just have driving time and no work hours, even .36 cents per mile is a decent wage....if you get the miles. Now..take a 1500 mile week, and 70 available work hours. If you have basicly 24 hours of driving time, that leaves you with 46 hours available for work. If you actually worked all 46 of those hours, and your employer did not cut your hours due to the all to common 2 hour give away, and you were paid $13.25 per hour for labor, without any Overtime paid, your hourly wage for the week would be (46 x $13.25) $609.50 + mileage pay (@.275) of $412.50 = $1022 for a 70 hour week, or $14.60 per hour. @ .36 cpm your 70 hour wage would be $1149.50 or $16.42 per hour @ .435 cpm that 70 hour wage is $1262.00 or $18.03 ph. @ .545 cpm that 70 wage is $1972 or $28.17 ph. Which would you prefer? Driving time or Working time?? Your numbers are skewed to what you want them to say. In reality, the average OTR driver is putting in more than 70 hours a week, if you include all the things that he is doing in his spare time, and all the times he "fixes" his logbook. If the driver is getting paid $0.36 per mile, and running 2500 miles per week, he is getting less than $12.85 per hour for the hours that he is more than likely putting in to make that. That also does not include the time that he is away from home. Besides - you are going to be hard pressed to average 59 miles per hour in the real world, let alone 63 (given traffic, accidents, pee breaks, weather, etc.). Any other job in this country would pay you for the labor you do. Heck, even the workers at the shippers and receivers are getting paid for the work they do - why aren't you? If companies want to pay a per-mile rate for the miles you drive, then fine. But loading and unloading is not included in that rate, no matter how much you want to believe it is. The carriers expect you to do it for free.
#118
02-10-2007, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
If companies want to pay a per-mile rate for the miles you drive, then fine. But loading and unloading is not included in that rate, no matter how much you want to believe it is. The carriers expect you to do it for free.
#120
02-10-2007, 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
If companies want to pay a per-mile rate for the miles you drive, then fine. But loading and unloading is not included in that rate, no matter how much you want to believe it is. The carriers expect you to do it for free.
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