[GMAN]

These people NEVER discuss how they are going to pay for the "FREE" healthcare program. Those who seem to be for national healthcare don't seem to understand that if insurance is currently unaffordable, it will cost more under Obama and the democrats. These politicians don't want to discuss the true reason healthcare costs are so high. Malpractice insurance, litigation, government mandated paperwork, etc., If you get rid of all the government required paperwork and regulations concerning healthcare and stop the litigation it would lower malpractice insurance premiums. Doctors and hospitals practice defensive medicine. In other words, they do tests to protect themselves from lawsuits. Doctors have additional payroll for those who must file all the insurance claims, pre approvals, etc., that they didn't have 40 years ago. In fact, most people could afford to pay for their doctor visits and prescriptions at that time. Under medicaid and other government sponsored programs participants are rationed healthcare to some extent. They are not allowed more than a certain number of prescriptions per month. If you are chronically ill and have a number of health issues, you may not be able to get your medications if you have gone over your limit. That is the way it will be if Obama gets his way. States who have their own version of medicaid are broke and having difficulty paying the bills already. Imagine what will happen with a national program. More beauracrats to decide how much or the type of healthcare you will receive. How much more in taxes are you willing to pay for national healthcare? For the first time I heard someone in the Obama mention that taxes will need to go up to pay for the stimulus tax and healthcare. They have since tried to backtrack, but you don't get something for nothing.

One thing that has been and will continue to drain our healthcare system are all the illegals in this country. I have friends and family in healthcare and they are forced to provide healthcare to illegals. They are bleeding money from having to provide these additional services.

We don't need nor can we afford national healthcare. We need to make changes but not in nationalization. Let's start by stopping healthcare for illegals. Next, stop all the government required red tape. Stop the litigation. Fire congress and the president. :thumbsup: Perhaps a requirement that will prevent any lawyer from holding office with legislative authority. In other words, no lawyer could be a state or federal legislator or congressman. It is a conflict of interest. :clap:

Under a national healthcare system doctors will be paid a reduced fee. That is already happening under medicaid and medicare. Some physicians refuse to accept it due to the fee structure and lengthly time to receive payments. It will get worse under a national system. That will drive many more good doctors out of the profession and likely bring in more foreign, less qualified doctors to fill the void, if it is filled at all. We are likely to see a shortage of doctors and other healthcare providers if this passes. If you want to see how well national healthcare will work then check out qany VA hospital. It is a shame how our veterans are treated in some of these facilities.

[mommee]

all i can say is be careful what you wish for. the american people wanted obama and now we have him. the people say they want free national health care and what will they do when they get it, and i'm pretty sure it won't be what they are expecting. if it is truly a universal health care, then i also want the congressmen and senators to be covered under the same plan that 'the people' are covered under. :lol:

we have free health care here. it's called charity care, at least in NJ. i see all the illegals and people without insurance in the ER all the time. ERs can't turn you away from being treated. who foots the bills from these people?

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by mommee

ERs can't turn you away from being treated. who foots the bills from these people?

That would be us through health care costs and/or insurance premiums.

Let's just get rid of illness and injury.. then we won't need health care!!!!


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[Kevin0915]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

That would be us through health care costs and/or insurance premiums.

Let's just get rid of illness and injury.. then we won't need health care!!!!


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correct, they can't turn you away, but all they have to do is stablize you, and put you out the door. Funny how your insurance might be good enough to stay for a night or two, but as soon as your insurance runs out and wont cover anymore nights in a hospital, they kick you out the door.

How many hospitals do that, and 'pretend' a patient is just fine, then they end up dying at home. Yet the doctor and hospital should be protected from being sued??? What i dont like about the healthcare plan, is that humans who NEED programs to get better, wont get them if they are deemed unable to provide to the community. Think of your child with severe case of downs syndrome, or MS or something.

it is no different than Hitler killing off people with 'problems'.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Kevin0915

it is no different than Hitler killing off people with 'problems'.

Godwins Law invoked. 50 demerit points.

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Godwins Law invoked. 50 demerit points.

:thumbsup: you are such a Hipster, Rev. :clap:

[charged]

My problems with the system right now is:
1. Illegals get free care because most of the time they go to the emergency room and their bills are uncollectable.
2. Cash payers usually pay a lot more than someone with health insurance. If I go in for an MRI why should it cost me twice as much?
3. If I want to see my cholesterol why do I need to go to a doctor to get him to approve a lab to draw my blood? Why can't I just go to a lab and have them draw and analyze my blood?
4. Why are pharmacists needed? If my penis is limp and I need viagra why can't I just buy some off the internet direct? If I have acne why can't I buy some retin-a? If I have an infection why can't I just go out and buy some azithromycin?

[mommee]

Originally Posted by charged

My problems with the system right now is:
1. Illegals get free care because most of the time they go to the emergency room and their bills are uncollectable.
2. Cash payers usually pay a lot more than someone with health insurance. If I go in for an MRI why should it cost me twice as much?
3. If I want to see my cholesterol why do I need to go to a doctor to get him to approve a lab to draw my blood? Why can't I just go to a lab and have them draw and analyze my blood?
4. Why are pharmacists needed? If my penis is limp and I need viagra why can't I just buy some off the internet direct? If I have acne why can't I buy some retin-a? If I have an infection why can't I just go out and buy some azithromycin?

i agree with you on a lot of points. but some drugs are very dangerous and have serious side effects. for example, my brother used to use retin-a for his acne as a teenager. he had to have regular blood tests and pregnant women weren't allow to use it because of serious birth defects. if i remember correctly, if you were a female you took a pregnancy test to make sure you weren't pregnant. i am talking about retin-a as prescribed by doctors, not the low doses you see in over the counter creams.

and as usual, people will abuse it. look at oxycodone.

[DaveP]

I know the lefties are claiming "staged" anger at these town hall meetings...but here's a video worth watching.

Congressman Baird Gets an Earful During Town Hall on Obamacare

[helenk579]

Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower

Singe Payer is "Off the table" to quote Obama.

Two articles worth perusing;


Experts Agree on First Set of International Health Care Quality Indicators; U.S. Spends Most, But Quality Could Improve - The Commonwealth Fund

Look at how much more we spend than the other nations in the survey

Annals of Medicine: The Cost Conundrum: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

This one sort of makes me wonder to what degree greedy doctors contribute to the problem.

Such a very amazing link!