[Scottt]

Sorry I don't read Jayski either.

Friend of mine is a spotter for a Roush Team and I help him spot and hang with the team all weekend when I find time to go to the track.

Another good friend is a dyno operator for Yates.

A guy I use to race against probably had his hands in the motor in question. He was a engine builder at Ganassi

Friend of mine is best friends with a guy on Mayfields team. That's where I got the Adderall info the next day after it happened.

I have built and raced stock cars on the dirt for 25 years. My last race was 06-16-06 when I about knocked down a 2 row steel guard rail. Got turned in the middle of the straightaway and hit it head on wide open.; Wife wasn't inpressed and said no more.

I started helping a kid in town get started a couple years ago. We built him a 9:1 Hobby Stock. This year he is flying and has 4 feature Wins in 4 nights out.

[Scottt]

Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

Sorry Scottt, unlike you, I don't go near Jayski. I do talk with Marty Smith from time to time since he grew up just down the road from me. He's the only person I will ever believe when it comes to rumors and stories, he hasn't been wrong yet. Remember the Chad Knaus and Steve Letarte deal at Sonoma a couple years ago? They got busted for a fender being out of shape. It was then that NASCAR said they were going to look at intent on these violations and in that instance, the intent was to cheat so they punished both teams even though they had broke no rules. They had found a "grey" area to work in and exploited it as it was an area not covered in the new COT rule book. They were straight up cheating, they hadn't mistakenly messed up a fender. Remember Jeff Gordon winning a 150 2 years ago at Daytona only to lose his 4th place starting spot for the 500 whereas others got major punishment? Per NASCAR:

Still has nothing to do with Engine, Gas, or Tires. Nascar said 2 years ago it is a automatic $250K fine if the engine is out of spec, tires are softened, or the gas has a additive in it.

The place Carl is getting shafted is a driver has never been suspended before. The car owner is listed as his wife. The owner and crew chief should be getting suspended and fined.

No Belpre I don't think Gordon had any type of traction control. The risk is too high for even the mastermind crew chiefs. Everyone associated would be black balled out of any type of racing if caught. With multi million dollar sponsors and contracts I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to try it.

Traction control has come along way. The first ones were a sensor on the wheels to sense wheel spin, easy to spot. Today they have them where you can turn them on and off with a cell phone. There is another the driver can carry in his pocket and plug it in and unplug it and put in his pocket when he gets out of the car. If you listen close you can hear them because they ****** the timing everytime there is sudden jump in RPM.

[Mr. Ford95]

Originally Posted by Scottt

Still has nothing to do with Engine, Gas, or Tires. Nascar said 2 years ago it is a automatic $250K fine if the engine is out of spec, tires are softened, or the gas has a additive in it.

The place Carl is getting shafted is a driver has never been suspended before. The car owner is listed as his wife. The owner and crew chief should be getting suspended and fined.

No Belpre I don't think Gordon had any type of traction control. The risk is too high for even the mastermind crew chiefs. Everyone associated would be black balled out of any type of racing if caught. With multi million dollar sponsors and contracts I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to try it.

Traction control has come along way. The first ones were a sensor on the wheels to sense wheel spin, easy to spot. Today they have them where you can turn them on and off with a cell phone. There is another the driver can carry in his pocket and plug it in and unplug it and put in his pocket when he gets out of the car. If you listen close you can hear them because they ****** the timing everytime there is sudden jump in RPM.

That's why NASCAR has gone to lengths to setup listening devices on the catch fences to hear it.

Not sure what your getting at with the beginning comments.........you asked me to point out where NASCAR said they would look at intent on violations. I pointed it out and you go off on a tangent about something that I already stated I agreed with. Again, NASCAR could have simply took the engine and been done with it, the damage had already been done. Carl Long was already in the hole $20K and with the loss of the engine, it was probably closer to $40K in the hole. He was not going to be back on the track this season and maybe next season too that far into debt which would have been worse than a 12 race suspension. Instead they piled on unnecessarily when it was already an unintentional self-imposed penalty, that is where the fans and media have a problem with this. Nobody is arguing that he broke a rule whether knowingly or unknowingly.

[Scottt]

No tangent here, Nascar said 2 years ago that the "intent" factor would not be considered pertaining to the engine, tires, or gas.

I said find a "intent" in the past on those 3 items.

[Mr. Ford95]

Originally Posted by Scottt

Sorry I don't read Jayski either.

Friend of mine is a spotter for a Roush Team and I help him spot and hang with the team all weekend when I find time to go to the track.

Another good friend is a dyno operator for Yates.

A guy I use to race against probably had his hands in the motor in question. He was a engine builder at Ganassi

Friend of mine is best friends with a guy on Mayfields team. That's where I got the Adderall info the next day after it happened.

I have built and raced stock cars on the dirt for 25 years. My last race was 06-16-06 when I about knocked down a 2 row steel guard rail. Got turned in the middle of the straightaway and hit it head on wide open.; Wife wasn't inpressed and said no more.

I started helping a kid in town get started a couple years ago. We built him a 9:1 Hobby Stock. This year he is flying and has 4 feature Wins in 4 nights out.

Sorry man, missed that post somehow by you, might of been because it was an attempt to hi-jack. Wanna cookie for putting that info out? Not about to start a little who's ding-a-ling is bigger contest but that's fine and dandy you've done that and know those people. PM me which Roush team you help out, might know a buddy of mine who's a tire specialist.

I'm man enough to admit, I missed that part of your post where you said show the "intent" for fuel, engine, tires. BUT, Mikey's team only saw a $100K fine for jet fuel, so your $250K auto fine holds no water. If you check this out, it shows how inconsistent NASCAR is:NASCAR fines, penalizes Benny Gordon's team for Bristol fuel violation - Nationwide Series | NASCAR Racing News - SceneDaily.com

They got off with nothing but a slap on the wrist as a field filler who didn't even make the race while another field filler essentially gets the death penalty. Do you get what I'm digging at yet? They didn't pile on that small Busch team but they piled on one of the smallest Cup teams who was already out nearly $40K. That's the whole point of this thread from the beginning, it was an asinine penalty that was way over the top for the penalty he was already going to pay.

[Part Time Dweller]

Originally Posted by Scottt

What are you going to do when the little guy goes to a racing auction and buys a MSD box. He puts it in his car and goes through inspection and it has a traction control chip in it. He says I bought the box at a auction and I don't even know what traction control looks like.

I believe Nascar owns the MSD boxes and hands them out at the start of race weekend, sealing them as to prevent tampering. After the race, they are handed back in. This way, no one can tamper with them, or install traction control devices.