Are you a sissy?

I mean no disrespect and am not looking for a fight Stonefly... but, I'm not sure you actually understand the new rules. NOTHING in what I said above (that you quoted) implies any "falsification" of a logbook.

More on this after I answer your other post.

I'd like to chime in, but I'm just too tired

stonefly said:

:lol::lol::lol: That's a good one.

That sounds like an opinion based on a preconcieved and desired outcome. I have actually SEEN videos of subjects trying to put pegs in holes, etc after varying sleep patterns. The camera doesn't lie. The results are clear to even the most stubborn viewer.

And how 'bout that NEWBIE out there on the road with you? You think he's had TIME to develop such an "adjusted" sleep pattern?

Under the old rules, MANY drivers claim that they kept moving thru the night after their 5 hour nap because traffic was easier. Truckstops were RARELY as crowded as they are now. The reason they are NOW is that most drivers shut down for 10 at a time, so they call it a night. I don't disagree that MOST drivers will get a full night's sleep when they can, but with the advent of Just In Time warehousing, those times are not always available. The regulations are not SO MUCH designed to penalize the driver, or make him shut down, as they are to PREVENT carriers from demanding drivers keep pushing even when they are tired.

Here is where I don't understand your viewpoint. Other than the fact that any "naps" that exceed a cumulative of 3 hours a day would reduce your "duty window of 14 hours," NONE of your sleeper berth time would count as work hours. Even when you take a two hour break for lunch it doesn't count against your 70 for the week. And ANY Sleeper berth period of at least 8 hours doesn't count against your 14 hour limit OR your 70. In fact, even a 7 hour sleeper berth break, tho it counts against your duty window, doesn't count against your 70. The 8/2 is the same as a full 10 hour break per 14 hour duty window. If you can't "manage" to stay in the sleeper for 8 hours instead of 7, YOU are the one at fault.

I agree. But the only time I NEEDED multiple naps during the day is when I had cheated my logs and NOT gotten my full 8 or 10 hour rest period.

No... it doesn't. It don't go against your 70. And... it would count as the 2 hour requirement, allowing you to "split" and only need to shut down for 8.

ONLY if he is a poor manager of his time. In fact, the NEW RULES that include the 34 hour restart have INCREASED the number of hours a driver can work/drive within 7 days... and THIS is the main reason Public Citizen and other groups oppose them.

The ONLY part of the new rules that cause this is the NONextendable 14 hour "duty window." It has NOTHING to do with the new limits on the split sleeper berth.

It would be easier to follow your argument if you would stop saying that the split sleeper berth option no longer exists. You are referring to the OLD S/B provisions. 5/5...8/2.... what's the difference really? The thing that is missing is the EXTENDABLE 15 hour duty window.

No... it doesn't. And BTW.... under the OLD rules, you had no 34 hour restart. This meant that regardless of how you split your rest time, you could only work 70 hours in 8 days. Under the NEW rules including the 34 hour provision, you can work something like 98 hours (I forget the actual number) in the same 8 days! Now.... you STILL want to go back to the good ole days?

R-i-g-h-t. The SAME reason why there were monopolies in oil, airline and other industries. The same reason why there was no minimum wage. The same reason doctors could work anytime and for as long as they wanted before operating on you. The same reason some states had no speed limits. The list goes on.

No.

As I said, prove the statistics wrong, because everything I've seen disagrees with your baseless stance.

Check this story out;

Regional pilots lack sleep, salary, experience

100K in debt for a 25K per year job?

CDL mills look wonderful in comparison.

golfhobo,

You're wrong. You're wrong about this, and I see you don't understand a thing I said. I know that you don't understand the advantage of splitting bunk time. Also, you do not realize that presently there is no split sleeper berth provision. You are trying to explain to me that I can still split my time, and that I should be having no problem. I started having big problems in October, 2005. I split my time for 7 years OTR and it became a way of life that I enjoyed. It gave me no sleep problems. I rarely hit 70 hours. I run under my own authority. I rarely get close to 3000 miles a week. I do not try to drive a lot of miles. I try to take loads that pay good rates. You do not understand. You don't. You cannot see the problem.

I don't want to go through an entire post line by line, but I'd like to start with one point of discussion.

Management of time?

The law. Once a driver starts his truck and takes a walk around it, looking things over, he has started his day. He must draw a little line on line 4. Fourteen hours later, he must stop driving. My friend, that is the law and I think you know it.

I've driven coast to coast many times. I've also spent a lot of time on the eastern seaboard. For most of my 11 years OTR, the eastern seaboard, with its 500 mile to 600 mile runs, has been my bread and butter. I pull a reefer.

I am used to backing up to a dock door and going to sleep, very often, for loading and unloading. I know the places where I might oughta' watch 'em load me and I know the places where I don't have to watch 'em load me. I like the places where I don't have to watch 'em load me because then I can lie in my bunk and sleep.

It's not unusual to sit at a dock for 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours, or perhaps longer, to get loaded, or unloaded. That's food warehouses, my friend. Perhaps you already know.

To make this simple to understand, and believe me, I wanna try and do that here, let's say it takes 3 hours to get a door and get loaded on a 600 mile run, for an 8 AM appointment the following morning. That is a standard, run of the mill, everyday, common type load.

Now, let's say pick up time was 9 AM. There is nothing unusual about that. A 9 AM pick up appointment, and a 600 mile run, for an 8 AM delivery the following morning, is not, or shouldn't be, anything that is particularly difficult to accomplish. That's 23 hours to load, drive, rest, eat, fuel, and maybe even shower.

Follow this so far. A 9 AM pick up on day one, for an 8 AM delivery the following morning, 600 miles. That is a common, bread and butter run for many truckers like myself.

The 3 hours loading is normal. I don't know what kind of trucking you do, but time spent at loading and unloading docks is part of trucking.

For a driver who obeys speed limits, I'll guarantee you that running 600 miles on the eastern seaboard is going to eat up every bit of 11 hours.

Now, my friend, 3 hours has been spent at a loading dock, and 14 minus 3 equals 11.

So you see, my friend, management of time has been removed from the hands of the man who needs it most, and if I need to explain the matter to you any further, let me know. I'll be happy to do so. For now, I choose to leave it up to your intelligence, and I know you ain't dumb.



stonefly

It's all too clear to me that your beef with the regulations has nothing to do with obtaining restorative sleep (which the new regulations certainly allow for), and everything to do with your inability to earn as much money under the new regulations.

You are using the guise of "junk science" as your scapegoat. But the facts don't support you, and no matter how much you try to ignore them, they never will.

You guys have to break out your tin foil hats? I never take mine off.

This entire thread is nothing more than "waah waah we're not making enough money so we need the gubberment to help us". Learn to adapt or get out of the game.