How random is random
#11
03-17-2009, 10:47 PM
I have my theory, and another driver's theory. It's 80% random, 20% induced. Kinda like the 80/20 rule of engineering and whatnot.
Let me tell you this. If they know you WILL pass, expect a random and good runs (other driver's theory). If they want you fired, I plead the 5th.
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#12
03-20-2009, 11:39 AM
leased to schneider for 5years(minus 6months) never had a random drug test........ But the past 3months ive had to take 2randoms.......
#13
03-23-2009, 06:17 AM
I had them every 3 months or so (random) in our company and all that changed when i applied for fast card and was denied for the same by us authorities with no explanation (cbsa on the other hand had done a back ground check and found everything ok and told me that us will tell me why i was denied but that is another story ..)
Since then i was put on some special covert program and every time i would cross border in my truck or pvt. vehicle i would be questioned at the border like a criminal my vehicle was searched with K9 units etc. and no sooner i would pull up in my yard after every trip i had standing instructions to go for a piss test before i could head out again...... it all went away after about 6 months or so......
#14
03-30-2009, 07:18 AM
Just wondering how random the "pee in a cup" really is? As I have been popped for a 3rd time now in about 1 1/2 years. Not to mention this last week was particularly a pain in the butt. In between routes my boss caught me and said come talk to me when you get back from 2nd Rt. So, I return, fuel truck and reefer, put them away, etc. Go in go to bathroom and wash hands before seeing boss and of course all she has to say is we need a urine sample. So I get to sit in breakroom drinking water for two hours to accomplish this goal. Folks, I have been in government jobs since I was in high school. I worked the family farm from a very young age due to father in active military. I ain't never touched anything ever. The occasional beer and Jack Daniels w/ Cherry Coke is it. (Oh, its not normal to get a Christmas card from Bud and Jack... I didn't know.) Ok, occasional now almost rare. But in the younger days!!!!!
2. your employer may have a policy that triggers a Probable Cause test that you are unaware of. One example would be a complaint from a motorist. There are civilians who have nothing better to do than call in and complain about truckers. You may have been driving too slow on a grade, or swerved slightly on curve, any of a number of things someone observing doesn't like.
#15
03-30-2009, 02:50 PM
It's different from company to company.
One company I worked with tested me at the beginning and that was it. Another tested me once a month for 6 months. I think the deal with that is that the safety guy knew I would pass, so once a month it's a guarantee passing grade. Some of the others guys ask me about it, and I was straight up with them..."With me, it's a guarantee passing score with the state...with you, maybe not so lucky??" He didn't like that much... When I work a job, I just plan on doing a test once a month while I'm there. If they choose someone else, that's the way it is. Of course, I live a boring life...hell, it's been awhile since I had a beer....:thumbsup::thumbsup:
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#16
03-30-2009, 03:06 PM
If the DOT program is anything like the FAA program, there is a chain of custody and the program is supposed to be confidential.
#17
03-31-2009, 12:26 AM
Assuming everyone's name goes into the hat each time they look for a victim, your chances to get picked are the same each time. It doesn't matter what has happened in the past.
Think about 10 coin flips in a row. Each time the coin gets flipped it has a 1/2 chance of coming up heads. On the sixth flip it doesn't matter if the coin came up heads 5 times in a row, the coin has no "memory" of the past and on the sixth flip the chances of heads are 1/2. That is not to say that the chances of getting 6 heads in a row is 1/2, only that on any given flip the chances of heads are 1/2. Of course that doesn't mean your company won't put a little bit of "memory" or preference into the selection so the fun gets spread out a bit or certain people are more likely to be picked but they can still call it random.
#18
07-09-2009, 03:20 PM
well, i don;t know how random it is but i was tested 4 times in 3 months and i dont drink ,smoke r do drugs,but i think it was because me and my dm had issues and our safety manager were buddies, and that was just the icing .
#19
07-09-2009, 10:07 PM
If you DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT - then it's just a PITA. WHO CARES what random is?
If you DO have someone to worry about - then you need to address the ISSUE OF YOUR PROBLEM, not complain about being "singled out". I've seen some debate going on other boards, regarding "observed drops" for people who've refused or tested positive. Folks whining about their "right to privacy" being violated. WE ALL KNOW that driving a CMV requires us to drug test. Regardless how great I thought I drove "under the influence" back in the day - I would NOT WANT someone operating 80,000 lbs. of rolling death while loaded. As long as they're not taking the cost out of my PAYCHECK, I'll whip out my schlong in front of the whole room and drop. At over a decade sober, I'M NOT WORRIED. If they know this, and drop me all the time to skew their numbers - hey, I'm a team player - WTF do I CARE? Rick
#20
07-10-2009, 12:22 AM
I was with my last company for 2 years. I took the pre-hire drug test, got hired 2 days later. When I came in to pick up the truck for my first trip, I was told to go in for a drug test because the computer picked me. When I walked into the same clinic and had the same nurse giving me the test, she looked at me really funny when she saw the same name. But, it didn't bother me in the least - my company paid $50 for an "inconvenience fee" for random drug tests. Hell, I told them to pick me weekly.
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