How random is random
 

Just wondering how random the "pee in a cup" really is? As I have been popped for a 3rd time now in about 1 1/2 years. Not to mention this last week was particularly a pain in the butt. In between routes my boss caught me and said come talk to me when you get back from 2nd Rt. So, I return, fuel truck and reefer, put them away, etc. Go in go to bathroom and wash hands before seeing boss and of course all she has to say is we need a urine sample. So I get to sit in breakroom drinking water for two hours to accomplish this goal. Folks, I have been in government jobs since I was in high school. I worked the family farm from a very young age due to father in active military. I ain't never touched anything ever. The occasional beer and Jack Daniels w/ Cherry Coke is it. (Oh, its not normal to get a Christmas card from Bud and Jack... I didn't know.) Ok, occasional now almost rare. But in the younger days!!!!!

I worked localy for a dirt hauler here in Minnesota for about 4 years. The managers brother was also an O/O there. In the 4 years, I was never called in for a random but the GM's brother was called in every 4-6 months withou fail. It's supposed to be a random selection buy a computer program but I thing the computer has some preferences. Maybe we have made them think too much like people.

Every month every person's name goes in the proverbial hat to get drug tested regardless if you were tested the month before or not so you have the same chance of being tested next month as you did this month. The only time you can be sure of not being randomly tested is if you tested positive, went through a SAPS program and got VERY lucky and got another chance. Then you can be pretty sure for a long time you are going to be peeing into a cup on a frequent basis.

I once got popped 3 months in row and have went a couple of years and never had my "number" come up. Because of the chances of being selected I always made sure to hold off going to the restroom, if at all possible, anytime I got a message from the office saying to see them ASAP.

It is random, in most cases. I worked for one company where the safety director would stroll out in the yard at some point during the day, see who was in, and they would be told to report to med for a random.

Another company informed me that I had a random right after I loaded a load of steel, half way across the country. I complained about the safety factor in that one, but did not refuse to take it. Nowhere to drop the trailer, and no parking on the street at the facility... They were not the least bit happy about loaded 18 wheels parked on the thin blacktop of their lot, and DID let the company know about it. It meant driving about 9 miles through town in rush hour traffic, which vastly increases the liability factor. Especially, considering that once the computer picked my name, they had 30 days in which they could have gotten me into any one of 3 terminals and given me a company vehicle to get to a testing facility. I, personally, talked to the head of safety on that one, and he agreed that it was very bad planning. But NEVER REFUSE a test.

I don't know if I am handled differently because I go home everyday. In that they try and catch me walking thru terminal at the last second or what. Time before this one I was headed to restroom and my terminal manager comes yelling thru the breakroom and beating on the bathroom door dont go I need to give you a test. This was my "notice" I guess. Both last times as I am waiting for my manager to go with me, someone has come up behind me and she has told them.... I see you got the message I sent to your truck about the random. All I want is a message, it does not need to be top secret. Just rubs me strange. Thanks for the input.

How the company determines the randomness and notification is up to the company. They just have to prove that their method is really a randomn choice.

Since, I've been in trucking only a couple of years and haven't had the pleasure yet. When I was in IT (27 years) that was a different story. Back then the algorithm included things like frequency of absences, frequency of accidents, position safety rating, etc etc etc.

Having done some computer programing, using random number generators, they can pick the same number frequently for a period and then move off someplace else and not use that number for a while.

I used to get random tested for a company frequently. and then not for a long time. With the company I am with now I was rarely random tested, then all of a sudden tested three times in a year, and haven't been tested now for a year and a half.

There is no logic to it, it is random.:confused:

I am not denying that a company could use the random generator and then manipulate the results to something else, only pointing out random generators work out weird sometimes.:tears:

Being a former professional programmer, I will explain computers and random numbers :). No computer is capable of a TRUE random number. Most computers use what is called a seed. The seed is based usually on milliseconds, so time is used to create a random number. If you know exactly how a specific CPU handles generating random numbers, you can get the same exact random number to generate every time by knowing the seed factor. This said, random numbers generated by a computer can be figured out by an algorithm, and do have a repeating pattern. Generally in programming if you really want a good random number, you have to create a bunch of them using random seeds, then randomly pick one of the randomly generated numbers, and repeat the process a few times :).

It would be easier just to put all employee's names in a hat and DRAW one. Just make sure that it isn't always at the same time of day! ;)

In the last 5 years...I think I've had 2.
On the other hand, one of our daytime drivers has a random everytime he turns around.