[matcat]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

I don't care. You said:

Which is wrong.

Ok yeah there is one other exception

[Fredog]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

I don't care. You said:

Which is wrong.

you can also get in your truck and spend as much time in it doing whatever you want (except driving it unless for above stated purposes) when you are off duty
if you are off duty at a friends house or a motel and you decide to go sleep in the truck, it's fine, you are still off duty.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Fredog

you can also get in your truck and spend as much time in it doing whatever you want (except driving it unless for above stated purposes) when you are off duty

Nope. The regs are very clear that other than the personal conveyance exception, all time spent in a CMV is either On Duty or Sleeper Berth.

if you are off duty at a friends house or a motel and you decide to go sleep in the truck, it's fine, you are still off duty.

Nope. Then you would be logging sleeper berth time. All time spent in a sleeper berth must be logged as sleeper berth time. There are no exceptions to that.

[BigDiesel]

Since rules and regs make my eyes glaze over.... here is what we do. Since fuel is so high, I now require my other driver, future driver and myself to get a motel room for our 10 hours off. This is logged on line uno.

[matcat]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Nope. The regs are very clear that other than the personal conveyance exception, all time spent in a CMV is either On Duty or Sleeper Berth.

Nope. Then you would be logging sleeper berth time. All time spent in a sleeper berth must be logged as sleeper berth time. There are no exceptions to that.

The point is sleeper berth is still 'off duty' it might not BE on line 1, but it is still an off duty status.

[Rat]

Originally Posted by matcat

The point is sleeper berth is still 'off duty' it might not BE on line 1, but it is still an off duty status.

Actually it is not, DOT can come knocking on your door at anytime and you may have to get out and answer questions. Or your something might happen making you get out of the truck to take care of your truck or cargo.

When you are off duty and away from the truck then DOT can't come knocking and the truck and or cargo is not your responsibility.

That is the way I see it anyway. I am happy though as long as I can use line 1 and line 2 for reset.

[Fredog]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Nope. The regs are very clear that other than the personal conveyance exception, all time spent in a CMV is either On Duty or Sleeper Berth.

Nope. Then you would be logging sleeper berth time. All time spent in a sleeper berth must be logged as sleeper berth time. There are no exceptions to that.

okay, so when you are home and off duty, you cant go in your sleeper unless you change your log to sleeper berth?? Just when I was starting to think you may have a little sense..... when you are off duty, you can do WHATEVER you want including camping in your truck. look it up..

[matcat]

Originally Posted by Rat

Actually it is not, DOT can come knocking on your door at anytime and you may have to get out and answer questions. Or your something might happen making you get out of the truck to take care of your truck or cargo.

When you are off duty and away from the truck then DOT can't come knocking and the truck and or cargo is not your responsibility.

That is the way I see it anyway. I am happy though as long as I can use line 1 and line 2 for reset.

Assuming an LEO comes knocking on your door, you then would have to drop down to line 4, taking yourself off duty and going on duty.

[Fredog]

Originally Posted by matcat

Assuming an LEO comes knocking on your door, you then would have to drop down to line 4, taking yourself off duty and going on duty.

when is the last time an leo came to a motel or your house and knocked on the truck door? even if he did, no law says you have to answer it.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Fredog

okay, so when you are home and off duty, you cant go in your sleeper unless you change your log to sleeper berth??

Correct.

Just when I was starting to think you may have a little sense..... when you are off duty, you can do WHATEVER you want including camping in your truck. look it up..

No, you look it up, and cite the reg that supports it. I already have the reg that contradicts it right here:

395.2 Definitions

On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include:

(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

(3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time;

(4) All time, other than driving time, in or upon any commercial motor vehicle except time spent resting in a sleeper berth;

Now let's look at the sleeper berth:

395.8 Driver's record of duty status.

(h)(1) Off duty. Except for time spent resting in a sleeper berth, a continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time when the driver is not on duty, is not required to be in readiness to work, or is not under any responsibility for performing work.

(h)(2) Sleeper berth. A continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time off duty resting in a sleeper berth, as defined in §395.2 (If a non-sleeper berth operation, sleeper berth need not be shown on the grid.)

So to recap, 395.2 clearly states that all time spent in or on a CMV, except time in a sleeper berth, is considered ON DUTY. 395.8 clearly states that any time spent in a sleeper berth must be logged as sleeper berth, and cannot be logged as Off Duty.


Now show me the magic made-up regulation that says otherwise.