I guess good free help is hard to find. Yoopr, if you would learn how to separate previous posts from your posts it would make things easier to understand:
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I don't know of very many logging companies that own the property and havest the lumber.
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obviously you know nothing about Logging up here or anyplace else i'm guessing even though you CLAIM(like you do on So many things) that you were a choke Setter(woopee)-You've never heard of Besse Forest Products which own many 100's of THOUSANDS of Acres-They Log it-Cut it-Haul it to mills. Nothing to do with paper mills other than they receive it.
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Yes yoopr the mills cut the lumber and send the lumber out to different customers based on the grade of the lumber. Yes and how many outside companies are hired to haul the lumber when Besse's fleet cannot handle all of the work?
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There are many others up here like that in Timber Country, and In AK, that do this.
In AK there is Ketchikan Pulp, subsidiary of Louisiana Pacfic not to count native Indian Holdings.
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Native Americans have sovereign nations and are considered a government entity. Therefore, Native Americans don't count. :wink:
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Question 20: Do the FMCSRs apply to Indian Tribal Governments?
Guidance: Under §390.3(f)(2), transportation performed by the Federal Government, States, or political subdivisions of a State is generally exempt from the FMCSRs. Indian Tribal Governments are considered equivalent to a State governmental entity for purposes of this exemption. Thus, when a driver is employed by and is operating a CMV owned by a governmental entity, neither the driver, the vehicle, nor the entity is subject to the FMCSRs, with the following exceptions:
(1) The requirements of part 383 relating to CMV driver licensing standards;
(2) The drug testing requirements in part 382;
(3) Alcohol testing when an employee is performing, about to perform, or just performed safety-sensitive functions. For the purposes of alcohol testing, safety-sensitive functions are defined in §382.107 as any of those on-duty functions set forth in §395.2 On-Duty time, paragraphs (1) through (6), (generally, driving and related activities) and;
(4) The accident report retention requirements of §390.15 are applicable when the governmental entity is performing interstate charter transportation of passengers.
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MB says:
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I do know of logging operations that are hired by mills to haul harvested lumber from the hill to the mill.
Because yoopr and others are still on the 150 air mile radius for non-CDL drivers!
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yoopr not understanding the posts replys:
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Wrong again Mr. Know it all-ALL logging truck operators are CDL holders.
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Yes yoopr, that's why the 150 air-mile radius for logs
DOES NOT APPLY.
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Where in the world do you come up with this garbage when you know nothing about Log Hauling and then try to tell someone about it?
That's disgraceful
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I know enough to question whether or not each driver qualifies for any farm exemption from the safety regulations. I know the topic was on interstate commerce and you discussed intrastate commerce. I know you fail to read the questions and look up the rules instead of firing from the hip on your limited knowledge of the situation. :wink:
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Being a "Choke-setter" in your "Younger days" you learned nothing except how to wrap cable around timber. Obviously nothing about the trucking aspect of it.
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Working for trucking companies that operated logging trucks I know that the trucking companies were paid ton mile for the logs or were paid to harvest the logs and transport them to the mill. The trees are harvested from dense forest owned by the National Park Service or harvested from burnt forest owned by the National Park Service. I know some logging operation called the NPS employee "Piss Willy" because they often allowed logger to only cut the smallest trees.
The trucking aspect is not different than any other operation. Either the carrier is a private not for hire, authorized for hire transporting exempt commodities, or maybe a farmer. But on a national level I'm not convinced that is the case.
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Wrong again "Myth-Buster"
Logging companies pay a "Stumpage Fee" and Mills have absolutely NOTHING to do with "Harvesting" it.
Once the Stumpage Bid is made the Trees are under ownership of the outfit winning the Bid.
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Then depending on how state law is written they may or may not be farmers:
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Question 27: Are custom harvesters who harvest trees for tree farmers eligible to be considered "custom harvesters" for purposes of the FRSI waiver from selected CDL requirements?
Guidance: If the State considers a firm that harvests trees for tree farmers to be a custom harvesting operation, then its employees could qualify for the FRSI-restricted CDLs, subject to the stringent conditions and limitations of the waiver provisions in §383.3(f).
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As always be safe.
