I don't know of very many logging companies that own the property and havest the lumber.

obviously you know nothing about Logging up here or anyplace else i'm guessing even though you CLAIM(like you do on So many things) that you were a choke Setter(woopee)-You've never heard of Besse Forest Products which own many 100's of THOUSANDS of Acres-They Log it-Cut it-Haul it to mills. Nothing to do with paper mills other than they receive it.

There are many others up here like that in Timber Country, and In AK, that do this.
In AK there is Ketchikan Pulp, subsidiary of Louisiana Pacfic not to count native Indian Holdings.

I do know of logging operations that are hired by mills to haul harvested lumber from the hill to the mill.

Because yoopr and others are still on the 150 air mile radius for non-CDL drivers!

Wrong again Mr. Know it all-ALL logging truck operators are CDL holders.
Where in the world do you come up with this garbage when you know nothing about Log Hauling and then try to tell someone about it?
That's disgraceful

Being a "Choke-setter" in your "Younger days" you learned nothing except how to wrap cable around timber. Obviously nothing about the trucking aspect of it.


Wrong again "Myth-Buster"
Logging companies pay a "Stumpage Fee" and Mills have absolutely NOTHING to do with "Harvesting" it.
Once the Stumpage Bid is made the Trees are under ownership of the outfit winning the Bid.

But I always say I can hang with the big dogs and the little dogs!

Sure you can-Many things you've posted to other drivers so you are wrong more than right.

You might "Hang with the Big Dogs" but if you're not the Lead dog the view remains the Same.

 

you have no clue on Trucking and logging operations and hauling.
Give it up
Here you go again with your "Emails"
You're more of a hindrance with you talking about things you know nothing about and get the new people on here getting their start in trouble if they listen to you.
You've probably haven't even SEEN a log truck
You're a Poser-Nothing more-nothing less

 

Thanks glasman2. I will e-mail you the stuff on Tuesday and if you don't get it then remind me through "PM" and I will for sure Wednesday. Sunday is New Years and I may have a whapping good time and forget the anything I did this year :lol: .

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

Thank You.... Pictures are worth a thousand words.
Happy New Year to you too

 

I guess good free help is hard to find. Yoopr, if you would learn how to separate previous posts from your posts it would make things easier to understand:

With a rapid response from yoopr of:

Yes yoopr the mills cut the lumber and send the lumber out to different customers based on the grade of the lumber. Yes and how many outside companies are hired to haul the lumber when Besse's fleet cannot handle all of the work?

yoopr continues:

Native Americans have sovereign nations and are considered a government entity. Therefore, Native Americans don't count. :wink:

MB says:

yoopr not understanding the posts replys:

Yes yoopr, that's why the 150 air-mile radius for logs DOES NOT APPLY.

yoopr continues:

I know enough to question whether or not each driver qualifies for any farm exemption from the safety regulations. I know the topic was on interstate commerce and you discussed intrastate commerce. I know you fail to read the questions and look up the rules instead of firing from the hip on your limited knowledge of the situation. :wink:

Working for trucking companies that operated logging trucks I know that the trucking companies were paid ton mile for the logs or were paid to harvest the logs and transport them to the mill. The trees are harvested from dense forest owned by the National Park Service or harvested from burnt forest owned by the National Park Service. I know some logging operation called the NPS employee "Piss Willy" because they often allowed logger to only cut the smallest trees.

The trucking aspect is not different than any other operation. Either the carrier is a private not for hire, authorized for hire transporting exempt commodities, or maybe a farmer. But on a national level I'm not convinced that is the case.

yoopr continues:

Then depending on how state law is written they may or may not be farmers:

As always be safe.

 

again-you have no clue and what you may have learned choke setting Really makes you a expert on Intra-state logging rules and regs doesn't it? :roll:

Question 27: Are custom harvesters who harvest trees for tree farmers eligible to be considered "custom harvesters" for purposes of the FRSI waiver from selected CDL requirements?

Guidance: If the State considers a firm that harvests trees for tree farmers to be a custom harvesting operation, then its employees could qualify for the FRSI-restricted CDLs, subject to the stringent conditions and limitations of the waiver provisions in §383.3(f).

Doesn't even apply to the arguement-nice try though :roll:

"Custom harvesters" :P

You know nothing about logging or log hauling other than your "Guidance" book :P

 

Man I tell you what, getting hold of the D.O.T. office in Alabama is harder than getting on American Idol.

Every time I could call them during the day all I got was the answering machine.

I called the Alabama Forestry Association and spoke with a gentleman about the 150 air mile radius, and he told me that it was in fact a 120 air mile radius.

I asked him about crossing state lines with this, and he told me that you needed to carry the FMCSA, and show them the reg in there about the 120 air mile radius.

Now for the crazy part, just when I was going to ask him where this was at, I lost contact with him, (my cell phone), and could not get back in touch with him, as it was quitting time when I lost contact.

So, now I have a question:

Does anyone know where I might find this at.

 

The only thing so far that I have been able to find is this:

e) Short-haul operations.

(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if:

(e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;

(e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;

 

like I said-If you stay within the State(and like I said before check with YOUR state rules and Regs cuz states differ) record when you picked up your logs-Where you picked them up and Where you delivered them to and at what time.
You'll be fine.

 

Doesn't FMCSA take authority over state rules and regs? Not for sure so that is why I am asking.