Yoopr: about the comment you know the old saying "those who teach____" no I don't know the saying, but doesn't Rev come here to teach as well? To be honest I wonder how much he really know, or is he just copying and pasting from the DOT online Regulations? I type what I have to say, and I don't have to keep looking at a paper or website. I type it! It is real stuff! So if you feel Rev is correct you might rething in how he "teaches". I have said I don't know everything but I have allot of knowledge in logs and I am willing to SHARE those knowledges!

I have never met ruder people in my life!

I try to be nice to everyone until they have actually done something wrong.

I've driven since '78 and I think I have a clue about driving and all it Involves :roll:
PS-Spotless record also-how many years have you driven?

You are VERY RIGHT It all matters in "SPOTLESS RECORDS" Log legal and you won't have a problem, that is exactly my point!

You have been trucking since I was 8 years old! You have been through all the changes I have been through, wow! Isnt' that just cool!

He askes a valid point - how many years have you driven?



And if you check your calculator, you will see that I have driven 11 years, not 9.

Quote:
Question 1: How should a change of duty status for a short period of time be shown on the driver's record of duty status?

Guidance: Short periods of time (less than 15 minutes) may be identified by drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or driving line to the remarks section and entering the amount of time, such as "6 minutes," and the geographic location of the duty status change.
from: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...942&guidence=Y



As you see ALL status changes times must be show. So moving that truck around in the lot, by law, you must log it. Would DOT cite you? Maybe. It would all depend on the case. Let's say while your moving that truck you had an accident. You have already logged as "Sleeper" or "Off Duty - Not Driving" so what are you going to do?

You said:


(Talking about logging line 4 at the shipper/Consignee. I know the regulations on where to draw the line! If you are at a truck stop and you move the truck to a different spot(not moving to another truck stop) If you have an accident in the parking lot and it is a dot reportable accident well then the person was doing something they should not have been, and I don't see a cop taking an accident report for a fender bender or broken mirror wanting to look over your log books. If you are at a shipper backing up and you move your truck you can log "on duty" just as your above copy paste from dot book states

That's the point you go by what you think the regulations says. The "REV" quotes DOT regulations. As has been show your cheat sheet is incomplete. As I just show you above. You made the same kind of error a few days ago about the private property thing.

yoopr said:

MY cheat sheet is very complete it just takes someone who actually knows how to read it to believe it and to use it! So sorry you don't agree, but if you would like I can e-mail it to DOT and see what he has to say and I would be glad to umm copy and paste it to you!

I agree completely. No one got put in handcuffs because of a falsifying log book(s). I'm am sure it had to do with the accident. Now I'm sure then the case goes to trial that will be included. Same thing go for when the lawsuit is filed I'm sure the lawyer will look at his and the company's records.

You said:

yeap the look at driver & company records, (been there done that, when we had our accident in 2004) and they can find you in neglegence just because of your logs! Maybe you need to ask a lawyer about that. So maybe you will know umm I do have my facts straight, and I know what the regs say, I just don't need to copy and paste them! And I don't use word for word, I MAKE IT SIMPLE! Life is much easier when you make it simple. The DOT WORDS are not read very simple for some people.


If you have to do 2500 logs I would suggest your company invest in a log checking program. Such a program can pay for itself in a very short time. One added benefit is when DOT sees such a program is being used they will accept it more than someone doing it by hand.

The last point I will say is you came in here saying you want to help drivers which is fine. Yet it has been pointed out you have made error after error. You don't back-up your claims with regulations. You want people to accept them strictly because you say so. That might work at your company but it's not going to work here. You have every right to hold a opinion but to come in here claim your right just because you have a cheat sheet ain't going to be accepted. If you don't want to type the regulations then post a link where you got the rules.

I could add more but that's enough.


Umm we have a log system: Don't know why you think we don't! We do not do them by hand! No way ever possible with as many drivers as we have.
And I have went through 3 dot audits and umm proud to say that DOT always gave us satisfactory! When prior audits the company had (while I was not there and the only audits they had when I was not there) they failed them and the doors was ready to be shut if one more! So sorry you don't BELIEVE WHAT I AM SAYING! I know I know my shit! So I don't have time to waste on you or anyone else not believing me, I thought I might find NICE PEOPLE HERE willing to accept help outside of their own log department! And mind you I also have several managers, Vice Presidents who would love to have me! So exscuse me for knowing my stuff. Rev can only pick on my grammar, and that is about all! And you well you really must not know all the facts! Why should I spell? I am just typing to someone who is only going to find something wrong all the time

I feel sorry for your soul mate

Get ready to be OWNED.


:roll: Find another career, Dawn. You suck at this one.

Show me anywhere where DOT limits this action "to logging line 4 at the shipper/Consignee".

Well Dawn I guess you jusy haven't been to Atlanta, GA. A fellow driver had a fender-bender at the Petro. City cop wanted to see his log-book. BTW he was parked it was the other driver who hit him.

A couple of years ago a DOT cop was checking log-books going from truck to truck. Sure I could have argued with him and more than likely got a full level one inspection. Or I could show him my log-book and be done with it. I took the easy way out and showed him by book.


Beg your pardon I did not say they limit your time "to logging line 4 at the shipper/consignee" I said they know it takes at least 15-minutes TO DEAL WITH LOADING/UNLOADING!" It is only common sense you don't just drive in and drive out! No you time the next time you load/unload (if you are even a driver?) and lets see how long did it take you to back up to the dock? How long did it take you to "maybe" go inside to deal with finding out what to do or who is unloading? Lets see you don't just back up and run to the sleeper and you just don't run out the door and go off duty? NO time yourself the next time and umm lets see how long you "actually spend dealing with loading/unloading? And when you are done loading you should "good driver" get out and check your tractor and trailer (trailer to see if the doors are properly shut, but this would be a good/safe driver to do this) 2 time to let your Dispatcher know what is going on. All time spent dealing with loading/unloading is on line 4!!!!!!!!!
I only had 2 drivers written up (that actually called "like umm you might do) that called and said the officer wrote me up for logging off duty/sleeper while being at a shipper and no line 4. I said and the officer is correct! I also said if you logged some time on line 4, and the rest of the time in the sleeper then maybe he would not have even questioned you at all!


got an idea. Why don't you e-mail DOT and ask them if you are right about moving a truck without logging (flag) it. Maybe Myth_Buster is reading this. He's a DOT inspector.

Or you could simply list the chapter and verse to support your claims.



I will because moving your truck around in the truck stop you don't have to log it! Now if you are sitting in the truck WAITING to fuel your truck and all time spent inside paying for your fuel etc.. IS line 4!

I'm sure you make them simple. They may not be right but they are simple. Really, most for the regulation are not that hard to understand. Those that are I have found the DOT Q&A section explains them quite well. May I suggest you read the Q&A. It uses very simply plain language.

So instead of answering drivers questions (or picking on them for asking) why don't you just reply with "read the book, it is pretty simple" Again evidentally they did not understand the book and still have the question so they ask!

I'd get a better log audit program. If what you are telling us it allows.

No if you was in my department I would be terrified in how you would percieve yourself to the drivers. Rude!!!!!!!!! I know what I am talking about once again, it is you who does not know!

Getting a satisfactory rating don't mean you are doing everything right. It simple means they didn't find enough wrong to de-grade you.

I went through a pretty darn tough dot audit and I don't think they gave any slack so umm I would say they didn't find enough because I "know my shit"So you just kind of said it there! They couldn't find enough to degrade us! Well don't you think that would be your first sign!

There several reasons. (1) It shows respect to the people reading your post. (2) It shows you have taken the time properly composed your post. (3) You respect this forum by using it's spell-checker.

And when I do spell check, it really doesn't find that much wrong! :lol: I can spell, I just don't want to take all night correcting myself after I have thought all day long!

So this is your last message from me unless you have something intelligant to say "I guess this would be your last message" So if you have nothing nice to say "DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL" I guess you must not have learned that as a kid!

And I am glad you found your soul mate! I hope she sticks around, Bless her soul to deal with you!

You know, this website DOES have a quote function. Why not take the time to learn the BBCode, so we can actually tell what is a quote, and what is your response? :roll: