[ibamars]

OK, i understand the 11/14. really pretty basic to understand. my confusion comes in with the split logging. heres my interpretation of split logging.

I just drove 5 hours. now i am really really tired cause i stayed up late last night. So I drove 5 hours and I go into sleeper berth for 8 hours. no off duty just sleeper berth. Now I wake up and i continue the other 6 hours to finish up my 11. NOw from how I interpret it is you can do that because the 8 hrs recalculates where the break is. I think the FMCSR says recalculate from the end of the first break period. Then after I drive those hours and then I take a ten hour break. then the 11 gets reset.

So thats how i interpret it. My company doesnt do split logging due to confusion in it. But if I am in a jam hey u never know.

Am I close or should I stay away from the federal govt writing manual. I didnt graduate from the federal govt writing requirements class. my god these people. I swear i am gonna run for office cause these people are out there.

Its like the new John Mayer song "one day our generation is gonna rule the population" thats his new "waiting on the world to change song."

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by ibamars

I just drove 5 hours. now i am really really tired cause i stayed up late last night. So I drove 5 hours and I go into sleeper berth for 8 hours. no off duty just sleeper berth. Now I wake up and i continue the other 6 hours to finish up my 11. NOw from how I interpret it is you can do that because the 8 hrs recalculates where the break is. I think the FMCSR says recalculate from the end of the first break period. Then after I drive those hours and then I take a ten hour break. then the 11 gets reset.

Yes. You have it correct. The only thing that stops the 14 hour clock is 8 hours in the sleeper berth, and the only thing that resets the 11 hour clock is 10 consecutive hours in the sleeper.

5 on, 8 off, 6 on, and 2 off would give you 5 more hours before you had to take 8 off.

5 on, 8 off, 6 on, 10 off will give you 11 hours before you have to take 10 off.

[yoopr]

I swear i am gonna run for office cause these people are out there.

Just find that out? :P

[allan5oh]

Say for example if you took the 8 hours sleeper, then 6 hours driving(now out of hours), then after the 6 hours you took 2 hours OFF DUTY. Now both are "reset" and start counting at the END of the 8 hours sleeper. You have 6 hours on the 11 hour rule, and 8 hours on the 14 hour rule.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by allan5oh

Say for example if you took the 8 hours sleeper, then 6 hours driving(now out of hours), then after the 6 hours you took 2 hours OFF DUTY. Now both are "reset" and start counting at the END of the 8 hours sleeper. You have 6 hours on the 11 hour rule, and 8 hours on the 14 hour rule.

Nope - 5 hours on, 8 hours off, 6 hours on, 2 hours off, 5 hours on

He then has 5 hours before he has to take an additional 8 hours off, not 6. If you are splitting, you always add up the hours on each side of the break. Adding the two periods on each side of the sleeper break cannot be more than 11 hours.

[allan5oh]

You're right, don't know where my mind was!

[yoopr]

go back to the Old HOS-Problem solved :P

[jansiemoo]

Just think of a cd player: pausing vs stopping a song. If you take a break more than 2 hours but less than 10, you are just *pausing* that song. The time before that still counts. You're still on that first song.
You can't start a new one until you take 10hours. That *resets* your clock- stops it.
I know it's kinda crazy but it's helped a couple kids my age that grew up with this type of technology.

[allan5oh]

That 10 hours off can be:

1) a mixture of off-duty and sleeper berth that is consecutive 10 hours

IF the driver chooses to "split"

2) 8 hours sleeper berth

3) 2 hours sleeper berth, or off duty, or any mixture of the 2

Some situations where the split sleeper gets "hazy":

5 hours driving, then driver takes 8 hours sleeper, then ONE hour "off-duty"

In this situation, that one hour counts towards the 14 hour rule. However, if the driver fulfills his split sleeper reset(2 hours sleeper, off duty, or any combo of both) that 1 hour off duty no longer counts. However, the 2 hours you used for the "split" now counts against the 14 hour rule. That is, until you take 8 hours sleeper berth.

It really doesn't make sense to split if you're doing regular OTR. The 2 hours you need off duty to reset your 11 hours works against the 14 hour rule. Really a shitty way of doing things.

[Dawn]

IBMARS: The best way I can tell you how to calculate your 11 & 14 when split breaking is this. YOu have the first steps that you need to do my cheat sheet here!

After your second break

1) Go to the end of the previous break and count over 14 hours (the breaks being your 2 or 8)
2) Go the end of your previous break; Look forward do you have a 2 hour break or an 8 hour break or more? Look below and do the following for whichever break you fall into.
A) 2 hour break: Your final 14 hour mark is the one you made on Step 1.
B) 8 Hour SLEEPER break: Count the number of hours in the SLEEPER
and count over from your 14 hour mark you made on step 1; make a new mark.
YOU CAN NOT DRIVE PASSED THOSE MARKS UNTIL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR NEXT BREAK OR TAKEN A FULL 10 HOUR BREAK
3) Count total hours of driving time in BETWEEN the 2 & 8 hour break and subtract that from 11, the answer is how many hour you can drive.

You must keep track of your 14 hour rules at all times. You can't just say If I drive 5 sleep 8 drive 6 off 2. YOU MUST KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS with other issues that come to play

The breaks can be more than 2. JUST REMEMBER THE 2 HOUR BREAK DOES NOT EXTEND THE 14 HOUR!
Split breaking is a great tool to know, it gets many drivers out of situations they need to get out of and do it LEGALLY!

I know my split breaking and I know how to put it the easiest way! I have many drivers tell me this as I teach @ least 50 drivers a week that are new drivers and they tell me I am the only one that has explained it the best/easiest way!

Ignore whatever REV says about me, he is just jealous I know my crap!

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT MY TRUCKERS AND MOST OF ALL BE SAFE

Run legal or you can be put in prison!