Hours of Service VS. Running illegal
#11
08-05-2006, 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by chapchap70
It makes sense to me, somehow I was using the last break to calculate when to restart the 14 hours. If I ever go OTR, I'll call you. But like you said, they probably will have changed the rules again. :roll:
They are in the process of attempting to make changes to the new HOS as we speak. For so many years, we didn't have changes and things seemed to work just fine. Now, it seems that they change every year. That is the problem when you get crazies like MADD and others who know nothing about this business dictating policy and rules. What they have really done is make trucking less safe by their uneducated interference. I think we need to throw the logs away and treat this job like any other. Most of us will stop when we get tired. Those who push the envelope will do so with or without a log book. These people who are pushing their own policies on us fail to understand the facts. :?
#12
08-05-2006, 02:27 AM
This seems to be an industry wide "historical re-write" of the facts. The fact is that the drivers in their infinte "wisdom" and as they have always been claimed to be "powerless" to stop the "evil and insideious" trucking companies, shippers and receivers "allow" them to work legally and safely. It's been the same old song and dance since I've been in the industry. They complained and complained and vented their spleens to anyone and everyone who would listen. Finally, someone did. The drivers finally got the government involved and they started (with company backing and cooperation) did federal sleep depreavation studies as it related to trucking using ACTUAL drivers as their test bed. The results proved that the old HOS were the WORST thing in the world physically for the human body. Looking around at most drivers would prove that :P . They FIRST instituted a 14 hours off schedule!!!! They settled on the plan of 14 on/10 off that it finally became. The DRIVER'S demanded that the rules be changed.
The problem is that just like the abused wife syndrome, the truckers saw the cops show up on the doorstep and instantly went into "he abuses me but I love him" act and the die was cast. The supposed abuser saw this happening and started advertising their support. The numerous VERY fatal crashes and the MADD groups and the unions made the change over easy. The problem is that like GMAN stated, those who will run illegal will run illegal no matter what. Those of us who will not, will not.
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#13
08-10-2006, 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by Rawlco
I don't know where it "clearly states" that you can drive after your 14 because it doesn't. 14 is 14 no matter the circumstances. If you go over the 14 you are in voilation and probably could be fined. 395.3, 395.1
#14
08-13-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by palidian
Originally Posted by Rawlco
I don't know where it "clearly states" that you can drive after your 14 because it doesn't. 14 is 14 no matter the circumstances. If you go over the 14 you are in voilation and probably could be fined. 395.3, 395.1
#15
08-13-2006, 03:09 PM
Which is why I prefaced my explanation with the words:
For a truck that is equipped with a sleeper berth a driver. . .
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#16
08-15-2006, 12:18 PM
to sllep or drive or write in your log book.
I am in my second week of trucking school.
The first time they showed me this LOG thing, I said I knew there would be something I didn't like about trucking and this is it.
#17
09-10-2006, 06:42 AM
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Hate to break it to ya Ragoolie, but BS happens.
I like the 10 hours of off duty time for the simple purpose that us, the drivers, can get out of the truck longer and relax in a truck stop (depending if they have a lounge for drivers). I hated the old "15 hours of on-duty" and the "8 hours in the sleeper" for the simple purpose that it made me more tired than the current hours. If you add the old hours up, i.e. 15 and 8 = 23 hours With the current hours, 14 and 10 = 24. How can you get any rest with the old hours when you want to get out of the truck for 4 or 5 hours? You have to be a very light, and i do mean "very light" sleeper to get less than 5 or 6 hours sleep/rest.
#18
09-10-2006, 07:34 AM
Originally Posted by chapchap70
From the FMCSA site.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/hos-faqs.asp
G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule?
A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours). Rawlco, One can (mis)read the sleeper berth provision as being able to drive 9 out of 11 hours, take two consecutive hours off, restart the 11/14 hour clock, drive another 9 hours, then take an 8 hour sleeper berth break. This would mean a driver could legally drive something like 18 hours out of 22 before having to take an 8 hour break. I don't understand why they didn't make it simpler by just making an 8 hour sleeper berth provision. The question/answer above says nothing about the two hour part of the sleeper berth provision. If I am reading the provision right, an OTR driver can drive something like 5 out of 6hours, go off duty for 2 hours, drive another 6 out of 8 hours, then take 8 hours off in the sleeper berth. I think the 2 hour provision can extend the 14 hour "duty tour" time like in my example to 16 hours provided that the driver spend at least the next 8 hours in the sleeper berth. The split shift option is no longer available for local CDL drivers that would extend the "duty tour" beyond 14 hours. (16 hours once per reset period) I think it used to be legal for say a cement truck driver to go to a job for a morning shift, take a few hours off duty, then work an evening shift. (Edited to correct fuzzy math)
#19
10-31-2006, 01:35 PM
14 hour rule
The easiest way to figure your 14 hour!
After a 10 hour break (lines 1 & 2 combined) once you enter lines 3 OR 4. Count over 14 hours on your log clock (should be at the top of the log grid) make a mark. DO NOT DRIVE PAST THAT MARK UNLESS YOU HAVE AN 8 HOUR SLEEPER BREAK! Once you get to that mark you can not DRIVE! You can be on line 4 all you would like, but don't drive again until you have completed a 10 hour break. LINES 1,2, 3 & 4 Count against your 14 hour. In the 14 hour period you can NOT DRIVER OVER 11 HOURS. There is no rule that allows you to drive past your 11 or 14 to find a safe place to park! You can only drive past your 11 hour if you run into unexpectad Weather, Accident Un forseen situations! Home issues etc. is not a reason! DOT says plan ahead 2-3 truck stops to get your break before your 11 & 14 is up! My easiest way to put it without referring to this or that! 
#20
10-31-2006, 02:04 PM
Re: 14 hour rule
Originally Posted by Dawn
The easiest way to figure your 14 hour!
After a 10 hour break (lines 1 & 2 combined) once you enter lines 3 OR 4. Count over 14 hours on your log clock (should be at the top of the log grid) make a mark. DO NOT DRIVE PAST THAT MARK UNLESS YOU HAVE AN 8 HOUR SLEEPER BREAK! Once you get to that mark you can not DRIVE! You can be on line 4 all you would like, but don't drive again until you have completed a 10 hour break. LINES 1,2, 3 & 4 Count against your 14 hour. In the 14 hour period you can NOT DRIVER OVER 11 HOURS. There is no rule that allows you to drive past your 11 or 14 to find a safe place to park! You can only drive past your 11 hour if you run into unexpectad Weather, Accident Un forseen situations! Home issues etc. is not a reason! DOT says plan ahead 2-3 truck stops to get your break before your 11 & 14 is up! My easiest way to put it without referring to this or that! |
