It doesnt matter how good your mechanic is, parts run over 10K for a real overhaul even if he does it for free.

 

Where did you get that at?

I can give a rats ass what you have, its not costing me anything.


It doesn't, I DON'T CARE.

Where did you get the notion that i DO care? I just said that I dont see the point of owning something that costs more.

 

But Maniac, there are people with Detroits saying the same, as well as Cummings. Now if that was a trend then i would understand, but since it isnt i still fail to see the point.

If CAT was so darn good they would never leave the business. Mercedes-Benz will always be around even tough it much more expensive to own it, market is still there, emissions or not. Good things last forever, CAt seems to have fallen out with that concept for some reason, least of it being the emissions....

 

and your wrong......... like I said I'll take his word over yours. Damn dude, listen not talk.

 

You need to do some checking around if you have been quoted $10,000 for only parts. That is way too high. As I stated earler parts to do an inframe on my CAT were going to cost me around $5,000. Detroit and Cummins should be less.

 

I am not only talking about upper part of the engine. Quotes that Detroit gave me were for a complete rebuilt of my series 60 which included injectors and a turbo, oil pump,etc..

Detroit Diesel Series 60 Engine Rebuild Kit
Here is KIT that costs $2288, half of what both of you have stated.

I can half ass rebuilt mine for 7000, thats no problem, but with aftermarket parts. Genuine parts are not the ones pictured above as the same parts in Detroit cost almost 8K. That is only half the rebuilt. CAT parts are right there with it also. I have also checked with friend of mine for his Red Top Cummings and it comes out almost identical to my DD60. Difference in parts is what the price of mine and yours is all about.

http://detroitdieselstepup.com/stepupcompetitive.asp

 

I got that idea when you said that you are glad they are out of business, thus implying that you dont want anyone to be able to buy one

 

I'm not talking about injectors, turbos and oil pumps. That's where we're getting some confusion I think. Unless they need changed at the time of a rebuild why change them out? Your spending money you don't have to.

Happy New Year guys.

 

Don't you even read what you write they LEFT the buisness on their own accord, they don't want to deal with it any more, they are tired of hearing people like you saying what a BAD product it is, and how expensive it is.

They would rather NOT make the $$$ than get the bad press, kind of like a mechanic who won't do a cheap repair because you don't want to spend the money to do it right, ever had that happen? I've seen it many times.

They have a solid niche in the dirt buisness, they DO NOT need our buisness.

Do a google search on the topic it is all in black and white, Cat engineers believe you can't make the emissions any better without hurting the reliabililty of the engine.

Cummins and Detroit know this also, but apparently don't care about reliability, why should they, mostly big fleets buy them, and trade them off if they become too costly to keep, something that is harder for one truck operators to do.

Why not look into the reliability of the so called new clean burn engines, you might be surprised.

 

I've never said they were a bad engine, its just that they cost more compared to others which run just as good. CAT is a good engine, no doubt about it.

I've seen that happen YES.
I doubt tough that they dont want to make money. I do not think that everything what has been said about why they are leaving is correct.

They need any business that they can get their hands on. They have been hit pretty bad with this recession and no one can tell me that they don't need more business.

Thats where innovation comes in. They have been riding a tide for a long time and when it comes time for them to make new technologies they just quit. You don't just quit, you get better.
If all engine manufacturers followed Cats ever so righteous example, you wouldn't have any trucks on the road and this country would come to a stand still. They refuse to adapt to these very challenging times and the world in which environment actually matters.

Most of the truck operators that i know bought these used trucks and are working with em just fine. Not everyone can be like you and me and go out and purchase a brand new one. You make it sound that these trucks are dead meat after the fleets trade them in.
Cummings and Detroit have a reputation that i don't have to even speak about. Cummings RED TOP is the best engine EVER built on this planet and i have experience to show for it. By you pretty much putting them in the category of the ,,bottom feeders'' i think, it damages your reputation as you are not correct, and you know it. All of my money has been made with these engines and i am doing pretty darn good.

It is still early to try and dis credit everything these guys are doing. These technologies are young and will get better. First cars and airplanes were also bad but have gotten better with time. CAT will come back in this business but only when Detroit or these others invent something better that CAT can live with. In nature its called parasitism.

At least i have something to look at and compared it to.