You may be right, Flying W. There are a number of new people who come to this board and expect to get finite answers to questions in which there are just too many variables to give an answer that will be correct in all situations. I can understand their frustration, but you simply cannot give concrete answers with so limited information and so many variations to each situation. We might be able to come up with a mathematical formula that would account for weight, wind, speed, driver, etc., but I can get a headache thinking about it.