You're right, compared to some it's not...not sure about how the -660 compares to some of the other aeros, though.

Seems that I've seen all types of trucks last many years. I see old freightliners, volvos, KWs, petes, and internationals everyday. I have an uncle with an '03 Century, and the thing runs great. The only major problems he's had with it were a turbo and a CAC, which are problems that no heavy truck is exempt from. Has nearly 650,000 miles on it...

 

$106K.

I wouldn't consider a T660 an "aero" truck either. I would consider it somewhere inbetween a hood and an aero.

 

That's a pretty good price. I know someone that bought a Columbia of the same year for 82k, with an automatic in it. I think it was sitting in the lot for a while. That would explain the cheap price.


T660 is pretty aero to me. Axle back configuration, and the corners are very smoothed.

 

I have a Volvo and never had a electrical problem ever.

 

So I guess everyone who has (including myself) must have been lying. Thanks for the heads up.:rofl:

 

And my $106K Pete is likely worth more than $24K more than that Columbia now. Now the only question is how does fuel mileage compare between the two. I'm sure it won't even be a fair fight, since my Pete has a monstrous 565 Cummins in it. And yet I can still get 6 mpg out of it.

 

Hey Rev…I believe you’ve made a compelling case for your truck. It would be my guess, that given your good driving habits you’d be getting 7 mpg or more in a similarly spec’d 387. Not doubting you, but the important data comes from the ECM lifetime average mpg. Have you ever called that up? Sounds like you can run this truck for a long while though.

What’s your truck worth? I say what’s your truck worth compared to a similar 387 ISX o/o spec’d truck?

Here’s an example from Springfield, Mo Pete…

2006 PETERBILT 387 Stk #D638791 $67,500 MO

ISX Cummins 475 HP, 18 Spd OD, Engine Brake, Pete Flex Air Suspension, 355 Ratio, 235" WB, 70" Raised Roof Sleeper, 22.5 Tires, All Aluminum Wheels, Tandem Axle, 12,000# FA, 40,000# RA, 366,834 ...
PETERBILT OF SPRINGFIELDPhone: (800)666-7383Fax: (417)865-2515


2006 PETERBILT 379EXHD Stk #D886788 $67,500 MO

Cat 475 HP, 10 Spd OD, Engine Brake, Pete Flex Air Suspension, 336 Ratio, 265" WB, 70" Hi Rise Sleeper, 22.5LP Tires, Aluminum/Steel Wheels, Tandem Axle, 12,000# FA, 40,000# RA, 299,696 miles, ...
PETERBILT OF SPRINGFIELDPhone: (800)666-7383Fax: (417)865-2515 PhotosSend a MessageAdd To 'Trucks Of Interest'
Updated: Dec 19 2008 1:04PM

The 379 may be more marketable with ISX (no money diffence).The above units have extended warranties. I don’t see how you get much more, if any, than a comparably spec’d 387. Please keep in mind we are in the middle of a huge down-pricing in the market right now. No one is willing to say there’s a set wholesale or retail price at this time. Also, throw out Freightliner as anyone’s comparable. We all know the weakness they’ll always hold in the market…T6’s sometimes bring even more money. T2000’s are the same cab with a different hood & roof. Otherwise, the same as a 387 all around…The Volvo 780 is a fantastic truck, for the money & hold value well!

Kenworth is closing down production in Renton, Wa. and laying-off over 400 (they use to produce 50 trucks a day). Paccar (Peterbilt) in Denton, Tx. has cut way back and won’t divulge how many trucks they are building a day. Not sure, I think Volvo Navistar etc are in the same boat?

Given that the Russians exported so many trucks from the U.S. along with the cut-backs of new truck production, the used truck market could change in the future when/if freight capacities come back. If/when fuel prices rise it could cause a run on Aero again (if anyone can get financing)? Iran & Russia are trying to spike crude prices as we speak…

 

Mostly cheap, company specs trucks. Not "hoods".

 

With a 565 Cummins, 3.55 rears? Unlikely. I don't do anything special to get 6 mpg. I just drive. It doesn't matter if I'm loaded or empty - I get 6 mpg. It doesn't matter if I have 5000 lbs in the box or 40,000 lbs - I get 6 mpg. Since my truck seems to be immune to getting anything other than 6 mpg, I don't do anything special to get it. Although I've tried.

Your comparisons have far too many miles on them. My truck is still under factory warranty for the engine, and IMHO, an ISX will garner a higher price tag than a Cat - especially now that Cat is getting out of the game.

This is the closest comparison I could find to my truck (although mine looks a million times better).

I think it's a fair assumption that prices are going down across the board, however, which makes the point moot.

Many of the fleet throwaways also made their way to South America.

 

Just to prove you know nothings wrong, I'm gonna buy a 1994 mechanical "non aero" 379, 359, FLD120 or W9. This new truck of mine is going to be a flat top, it's going to weigh 16,000 - 18,000 lbs, it's going to have a bunk heater and it's going to get 6+ mpg pulling my steps.

If I am right, you clowns pay the $20,000 for the truck.

And, BTW, why in h-e double hockey stick do we have two posts on this topic?