Gman, and others o/o questions
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Lately I have been playing with the cost per mile spreed sheet form ooida, I wanted to ask a few questions. Depending on how things go in the future I plan to have my own truck in 2 to 4 years.
mainly I need to get a general idea of the yearly (annual) cost for these items. I know every one's cost are diffrent, but just trying to get a general idea. Collision/Comp Insur. Bobtail Insur. Cargo Insur. Health Insur. Licenses Permits Accounting Svcs Taxes(Road, Use, Fuel, Fed) Tolls Tractor Fuel/ reffer fuel
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#2
These are just off the top of my head. Your results may vary.
Originally Posted by MADLUX
Collision/Comp Insur. About $400 per month with Bobtail insurance
Bobtail Insur. see above Cargo Insur. Health Insur. $500 per month, including dental (family of 4, $1000 deductible) Licenses About $1200 per year, varies by state Permits Accounting Svcs $90 per month Taxes(Road, Use, Fuel, Fed) Tolls Tractor Fuel/ reffer fuel
#3
Originally Posted by MADLUX
Lately I have been playing with the cost per mile spreed sheet form ooida, I wanted to ask a few questions. Depending on how things go in the future I plan to have my own truck in 2 to 4 years.
mainly I need to get a general idea of the yearly (annual) cost for these items. I know every one's cost are diffrent, but just trying to get a general idea. If your truck is valued at $30M, then your monthly premium should run approximately $120/month at 4%. I always figure the higher figure when looking at costs. Bobtail Insur. You don't need bobtail insurance unless you lease to a carrier. If you run your own authority you don't need it. Most seem to run between $30-60/month. Cargo Insur. You only need cargo insurance if you run your own authority. I don't recall how much my cargo runs by itself, but I spend about $3,955 per year for liability, cargo and collision per truck. Health Insur. This will depend on your general health and whether you are in a group. I would count on about $300/month or $3600/yr. Licenses Your license and permits will vary according to where you live & Permits and whether you get them through your carrier or not. I paid just over $1,400 per truck for mine. I would count on somewhere between $1,100-2,200/year. Accounting Svcs This will vary according to where you live and how much the accountant will do for you. I would count on $45-75/month. Taxes(Road, Use, Fuel, Fed) I rarely pay more than $75/quarter. In fact the last few quarters I have spent less than $35/quarter. Tolls I avoid toll roads, so I don't pay them. They are way too high. Tractor Fuel/ reffer fuel If you are running fairly hard, I would count on about 120 gallons per day for tractor fuel. I don't recall how much a reefer uses in fuel. I would think about 1 gallon per hour. Others who pull reefers could give you a better idea. To calculate your costs you can go with the current fuel prices. Right now they are running about $3/gallon+.
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![]() Here's what I have so far. If you all see anything that may be too much, or too little let me know. The truck payment is based on a $40,000 truck, financed for 36 months. Trailer is a $15,000, financed for 24 months. All those figures on the spread sheet are rounded up a little. For fuel I cant remember how I figured that one out, the formula I used. But something to me with that number doesn't seem right( or I'm in complete shock 8) ) , so if you all don't mind please check that for me. For tires I basically figured on blowing all 18 within a year, I did a quick search on truck tires and saw prices anywhere from $280.00 to $325.00 This figure is based on $300.00 For phone, I only pay $20 a month. On my parents plan. 8) So right now I'm looking about $1.10 per mile. Here is quick rundown of my plan. I do plan on getting my own operating authority. So no matter what my bid is on a load, $1.10 goes into an account for the truck. Rest of it to me. So if get a load for $2.00 per mile, the truck gets the $1.10, I get the rest, in this case $0.90 cpm. For a one truck operation I see this plan working for me. If I ever down the line Decide to add more trucks then the business plan will have to change. Let me know what you all think, were I messed up, what I might have missed. Thanks all for the help!!
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Don't forget Primary & general liability. Figure $5-$10 thousand a year.
Also, salary and tax witholdings. You don't have to figure that but I do. It will give you a per mile number you need to make so you can pay yourself. Put in a set number for whatever salary you need. That could be $500 a week, it could be $1000 a week. Then figure out your cents per mile. You will then know after lets say for example, $1.45, then everything is profit after that. If you take a load for less then that, you are cutting into your own salary, or the business is losing money.
#7
Just a couple of things I noticed, Madlux. If you are going to run your authority you must have cargo and liability insurance. I didn't see a cost for liability insurance. Your fuel costs will likely run more than you have listed. I usually calculate my fuel costs at 5 mpg. It will vary according to where and how you run. My cell phone runs about $150/month. My air card runs about $65/month. If you run your authority you will want to have both. In addition, some states require that you have a business telephone listed in the name of your business to enable you to purchase your base plates in the state. That should cost you around $100/month+-. You will also have some miscellaneous expenses for things such as logs, business cards, etc., You are required to belong to a drug consortium when running your authority. That will cost about $100-150/yr. It will save you money to be able to send and receive faxes in your truck. You can buy a printer for around $100 or less. Monthly fax services run around $10/month or so. That is much cheaper than spending from $1-3/page in a truck stop. It isn't uncommon for a broker to send a contract and other information that can easily exceed 15 pages.
#8
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that insurance looks awful cheap at $3000/yr. I am $15,000 for truck and trailer (liability only...no collision, no cargo). I know that's high, but $3,000 seems way low.
Question about the $15,000 truck/trailer relpacement.....does that mean if you get a new truck and trailer in 5 years you will be able to do it for $75,000 (15,000 x 5). That seems a little light also..... I might also suggest that you add a little salary for yourself in there. Also should budget for meals on the road. Some will argue that you have to eat anyway, but I argue that restaraunt food costs more than if you were home eating from a grocery store. They are a cost of doing business and they add up. I see you're budgeting $.40/mile for fuel. My experience shows that number is low. My numbers are above $.60 with northeast fuel prices, idling, winter driving and 70mph lead foot drivers.
#9
He has the $3000 listed as collision, which is a little high. It should be around $1200 bucks for the $40,000 truck he was talking about. He should pay around
$1200 comp/collision $1000-$2500 cargo $4000-$10000 for primary liability. This will vary greatly on Experience and where truck is garaged. $100 give or take for general liability I am paying total for everything $9200. That's in Expensive NY. :x If I lived down south I would probably get a rate of around $6500. Actually, anywhere but NY I would get a much better rate. |


