Got 2nd Over weight ticket this year...ouch $$$$
#61
08-14-2009, 02:13 AM
Our trailers like most trailers only move about 250lbs per hole my tractor like most tractors move about 500lbs per slot on the 5th wheel ...Some are different ,and it just depends on the gap between slots on the 5th wheel or trailer as to how much weight gets moved per slot , but the trailer I had was the standard 250lb per hole , and according to the scale ticket i got at sapp bros i should have been legal after sliding the tandems 5 holes forward , but obviously that ticket was not correct , and therefore my adjustments were not either .
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#62
08-14-2009, 02:34 AM
I've got the same trailer I had that day in Omaha last week hooked to my tractor sitting at the T/A in Wheatridge ,CO right now ...The day I weighed at sapp bros I needed to shift 1250lbs to the trailer tandems ,and I only had 5 holes of forward slide left on the trailer , So it was not a case where the driver slid the tandems to far ,as there were only 5 holes to be had to slide ...fool proof...and this trailer only moves 250lbs per hole you slide it ... This 250lbs per hole can be demonstrated even with an empty box .
and how would a reweigh on a bad scale show you a correct weight on a second weigh or 3rd weigh ...please elaborate on this theory , because if a scale is not working right why would it decide to do right the second time or 3rd ...lol infact I probably would just end up back at pepsi having them readust the load for no reason as they would be using weights obtained from a scale needing work ... I just know to go into Council Bluffs and use the scales at the T/A or Pilot ...both are Cat scales and Calibrated routinely . now pretend you were going to slide the supports in each of the setups. If you move the same support (the one not bearing as much of the load) the same distance, you will end up with a DIFFERENT weight adjustment simply because the position of the load on the plank. so the 250lb per hole 'rule', is just a guide and should not be accepted as 'trucker law'.
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#63
08-14-2009, 04:03 AM
Yes. It has all the necessary elements, doesn't it? An OP's assertion of having been wronged. OP's claim that all the other posters are wrong. Snappy insults. A trucker's tale: "Y'all ain't gonna believe this. When I was at Sapps I only had five holes to slide, but by the time I got to the Petro I had eight!" It's even got fulcrums and its own theme song: "Please Come to Denver."
#64
08-14-2009, 04:10 AM
ok....take out a 2x12, 4 ft long. put supports under it 6 in. from each end, then place 300 lbs in the middle 2 ft of the board. the suports both equally distribute the weight 50/50. Now take the same "load", and move it toward the two feet at the end of the board, leaving the supports exactly where they are. now you will have the support under the "load" bearing more of the weight than the other.
now pretend you were going to slide the supports in each of the setups. If you move the same support (the one not bearing as much of the load) the same distance, you will end up with a DIFFERENT weight adjustment simply because the position of the load on the plank. so the 250lb per hole 'rule', is just a guide and should not be accepted as 'trucker law'.
#66
08-14-2009, 04:53 AM
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For Kevins sake ...I'll clarify since he can't differentiate from one post to the next ,and seems to have things mixed up.
I stated in the OP that I weighed my load at SAPP BROS in OMAHA ,NE ex 440 I-80 and the weights from first weigh had me over on drives by 1250lbs ,and that I slid my tandems on that trailer 5 holes forward which on that trailer is roughly 1250lbs and that only 5 holes existed to slide forward ...I ...DID NOT ...ever claim to re-weigh this load at sapp bros or before I got ticketed comming into Lincoln at the scale house at mm 415 I-80 , NE . What I did claim is that I adjusted my axles based on the weigh ticket obtained on the 1st weigh at SAPP BROS and that is why the load was over axled as that scale was off on that weigh ticket obtained at SAPP BROS , so I adjusted my axle weights based on a bad weigh ,which put me moving weight that did not need to be moved . I then stated that after my ticket at the scale house that I re-weighed load at the PETRO IN YORK ,NE on a cat scale to see what was up , and that scale showed exactly what the DOT scale showed light drives and a heavy trailer ...about 1,750 lbs over on the trailer , So I moved the trailer tandems back about 8 holes ,and re-weighed load just to be certain before I blamed the SAPP BROS scale , and sure enough 8 holes moved 2000lbs back to the drives...AND LEGAL So my conclusion based on the weigh and Re-weigh at the PETRO IN YORK ,NE was that the trailer was the typical trailer we haul moving 250lbs per hole , And that the weigh ticket I obtained at SAPP BROS in OMAHA ,NE was off giving me bad axle weights , Which had me adjusting weight to the trailer that did not need to be put there , and caused my over axle .
#67
08-14-2009, 08:40 AM
my conclusion based on the weigh and Re-weigh at the PETRO IN YORK ,NE was that the trailer was the typical trailer we haul moving 250lbs per hole , And that the weigh ticket I obtained at SAPP BROS in OMAHA ,NE was off giving me bad axle weights , Which had me adjusting weight to the trailer that did not need to be put there , and caused my over axle .
The only inconsistancy I can see--and it's not a big, name-calling deal, we just disagree about a small thing--is "250 lbs. per hole each and every time." My experience with heavy loads just doesn't support that. So. If five holes forward gave you a 3,300 lb. shift (=660 lbs. per hole), then three holes forward would have shifted 1,980 lbs. Safe trip.
#68
08-14-2009, 09:04 AM
For Kevins sake ...I'll clarify since he can't differentiate from one post to the next ,and seems to have things mixed up.
I stated in the OP that I weighed my load at SAPP BROS in OMAHA ,NE ex 440 I-80 and the weights from first weigh had me over on drives by 1250lbs ,and that I slid my tandems on that trailer 5 holes forward which on that trailer is roughly 1250lbs and that only 5 holes existed to slide forward ...I ...DID NOT ...ever claim to re-weigh this load at sapp bros or before I got ticketed comming into Lincoln at the scale house at mm 415 I-80 , NE . What I did claim is that I adjusted my axles based on the weigh ticket obtained on the 1st weigh at SAPP BROS and that is why the load was over axled as that scale was off on that weigh ticket obtained at SAPP BROS , so I adjusted my axle weights based on a bad weigh ,which put me moving weight that did not need to be moved . I then stated that after my ticket at the scale house that I re-weighed load at the PETRO IN YORK ,NE on a cat scale to see what was up , and that scale showed exactly what the DOT scale showed light drives and a heavy trailer ...about 1,750 lbs over on the trailer , So I moved the trailer tandems back about 8 holes ,and re-weighed load just to be certain before I blamed the SAPP BROS scale , and sure enough 8 holes moved 2000lbs back to the drives...AND LEGAL So my conclusion based on the weigh and Re-weigh at the PETRO IN YORK ,NE was that the trailer was the typical trailer we haul moving 250lbs per hole , And that the weigh ticket I obtained at SAPP BROS in OMAHA ,NE was off giving me bad axle weights , Which had me adjusting weight to the trailer that did not need to be put there , and caused my over axle . No, JEEP, i understood very clearly that you only weighted your load once in sapp bros. then scaled it again down the road. what i dont understand from the OP was you never said anything about a 'bad scale' at sapp's. all anybody got from the OP was you scaled out your truck, ASSUMED you could move 5 holes, and be legal. you didnt reweigh till it was too late........we totally get that.
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#69
08-14-2009, 10:13 AM
"250 lbs." "400 lbs." per hole. There is NO formula. By your numbers, you shifted 660 lbs. per hole.
It depends on how the weight is distributed inside the trailer. If you slide a tandem under an empty trailer, you'll get so many lbs. per hole. Slide the tandem--same trailer--under 46,000 lbs and you'll get different numbers. Concentrate 45,000 lbs. into the first 35 feet of a 53 (hello, Budweiser!) -- you'll never legal it. And, erm, you didn't reweigh after you slid the tandem? Or I suppose you could use the weight of load/ distributed length of load= distance required to transfer weight ie,,,,,,,,, 40,000 lbs distributed over 40 feet, the load would shift 1000lbs per foot of slide
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#70
08-14-2009, 05:10 PM
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Go get em Ac, you are right there is no formula, unless you carry the same loads distributed the same way in the same trailer every time. That has never happened to me.
Or I suppose you could use the weight of load/ distributed length of load= distance required to transfer weight ie,,,,,,,,, 40,000 lbs distributed over 40 feet, the load would shift 1000lbs per foot of slide well depending on your trailer the weight moved per hole can be different it just depends on the spacing between the holes ...And trust me load distribution has no effect on the weight shifted when you slide the tandems if you have 45,000 lbs on the drives 25,000 on the trailer with tandems all the way at the tail and you're using the typical I'm usuall hauling and you move the available holes forward which our trailer have anywhere from 16-to about 24 and you slide the tandems forward all avl holes you will shift 4,000lbs - 6,000lbs to the tail , and you will still be over axled due to the loads distribution , but it had no bearing on the amount shifted per hole.... Honestly I'm willing to meet anyone one of you who claim different ,and I will gladly prove you wrong not in an argumentive way ,but just because I love proving people wrong when I know I'm 100% right , and I haul very little freight under 40k lbs in a reefer and when I do pull non reefer it's dog food at 40K plus ...budweiser at 40k+ and so on ...I've done this for a few years ,and have in the past weighed and reweighed and can tell you that the loads distribution only effects if you can get it lega or not ,but it does not change the amount of weight mover per slot when slid ...And like I said anyone of you in the denver area this weekend give me a shout out and I'll gladly show you I'm right ...I love doing this ...WINK ...I'll be down in Denver tomorrow and sunday installing a bigger gun on my DUCK BUSTER ...LOL |
