log book & bracketing ?
#1
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My over the road trainer told me not to worry about bracketing, “it’s not important”. When I was finished with training and brought my log book into the o.c. I got reamed for not bracketing, and I was told I had close to $2000 worth of fines, if I was caught by d.o.t. ; what’s the truth ? Is bracketing that important or are the trainers in the o.c. making a bigger issue than what it is.
#2
Originally Posted by mccfry
My over the road trainer told me not to worry about bracketing, “it’s not important”. When I was finished with training and brought my log book into the o.c. I got reamed for not bracketing, and I was told I had close to $2000 worth of fines, if I was caught by d.o.t. ; what’s the truth ? Is bracketing that important or are the trainers in the o.c. making a bigger issue than what it is.
#3
I think what he means are the little u shaped "brackets" that you attach your flag line to to show that from 12:15 to 12:30 you were in such and snd such a place.
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#5
If that is the case, here's what the regs state:
§395.8 Driver's record of duty status.
(h)(5) Location - Remarks. The name of the city, town, or village, with State abbreviation where each change of duty status occurs shall be recorded. Note: If a change of duty status occurs at a location other than a city, town, or village, show one of the following: (1) the highway number and nearest milepost followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, (2) the highway number and the name of the service plaza followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, or (3) the highway numbers of the nearest two intersecting roadways followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation.
#6
Originally Posted by mccfry
My over the road trainer told me not to worry about bracketing, “it’s not important”. When I was finished with training and brought my log book into the o.c. I got reamed for not bracketing, and I was told I had close to $2000 worth of fines, if I was caught by d.o.t. ; what’s the truth ? Is bracketing that important or are the trainers in the o.c. making a bigger issue than what it is.
The compnay I work DOES require us to do it, but that is company policy.
#7
Originally Posted by Double R
Originally Posted by mccfry
My over the road trainer told me not to worry about bracketing, “it’s not important”. When I was finished with training and brought my log book into the o.c. I got reamed for not bracketing, and I was told I had close to $2000 worth of fines, if I was caught by d.o.t. ; what’s the truth ? Is bracketing that important or are the trainers in the o.c. making a bigger issue than what it is.
The compnay I work DOES require us to do it, but that is company policy.
#8
Originally Posted by matcat
Originally Posted by Double R
Originally Posted by mccfry
My over the road trainer told me not to worry about bracketing, “it’s not important”. When I was finished with training and brought my log book into the o.c. I got reamed for not bracketing, and I was told I had close to $2000 worth of fines, if I was caught by d.o.t. ; what’s the truth ? Is bracketing that important or are the trainers in the o.c. making a bigger issue than what it is.
The compnay I work DOES require us to do it, but that is company policy. I chose D for my company's safety dept.
#9
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Yes, bracketing is not required-- it's a throw back to "old school" days-- no longer required-- it used to be used because the regs stated that each and every change of duty- had to be flagged and was used to reduce the need to draw all those redundant lines- example you flag where you go off duty then bracket to where you return to drive line- as opposed to drawing another line and reduntant info- same location where you stopped.
Read the FMCSA guidance questions- it states what can be omitted- including all vertical connecting lines- if you really wanted to mess with em. You only need to notate- fuel, dot inspections, accidents, any thing like medical exams, drug tests, and the post trip inspection---- i.e stuff the federal government is tracking for TAX purposes(fuel)+DOT stuff.-- any of the above that is done in less than 7.5 minutes needs to flag with the exact amont of time involved.
#10
Sorry to break it to you, but most of your information is wrong.
Originally Posted by headborg
it used to be used because the regs stated that each and every change of duty- had to be flagged and was used to reduce the need to draw all those redundant lines- example you flag where you go off duty then bracket to where you return to drive line- as opposed to drawing another line and reduntant info- same location where you stopped.
395.8(h)(5) Location - Remarks. The name of the city, town, or village, with State abbreviation where each change of duty status occurs shall be recorded.
You only need to notate- fuel, dot inspections, accidents, any thing like medical exams, drug tests, and the post trip inspection---- i.e stuff the federal government is tracking for TAX purposes(fuel)+DOT stuff.
- any of the above that is done in less than 7.5 minutes needs to flag with the exact amont of time involved.
Question 1: How should a change of duty status for a short period of time be shown on the driver's record of duty status? Guidance: Short periods of time (less than 15 minutes) may be identified by drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or driving line to the remarks section and entering the amount of time, such as "6 minutes," and the geographic location of the duty status change. If something takes you 14 minutes, then it can be flagged. There is no magic "7.5 minute" mark, where flagging is no longer allowed. This is a common misconception. |


