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#41
05-17-2008, 06:12 PM
You guys are way behind. The NEW term is " climate change " . It seems that the temps and data wouldn't support golbal WARMING so now they have changed the term. :roll:
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#42
05-17-2008, 08:59 PM
KC said:
Let's see. We have a TEAM driver that says "[/color]But, companies don't want to pay for them for trucks who RARELY idle for long periods of time.[color=green]" Last time I checked (granted that was over three years ago) most SOLO drivers parked for 10 hours. And most of the year they idled their trucks. Why? Because it was either to hot or to cold to get a good nights sleep.
If they are such a GOOD deal, I see no reason why all trucks aren't equipped with them.... yet.... most of them aren't! Why? Because in many cases, the company is given a fuel surcharge for each run, so it's no skin off their teeth to let the drivers idle. That is CHEAPER for them than equipping all thier trucks with APU's.
The start-up cost for IdleAire was just to high. Even with the government grants they were able to receive. Then add to these high cost they didn't have enough customer base to make this profitable.
For those who have driven for a few years will recall when many truckstops were wired for cable tv and phone service. That service was also folded because the cost was higher that customers will willing to pay.
Global warming is a joke. As much as Al Gore would like to claim global warming has and is happening the data doesn't support the claim. Does the weather cycle? Sure but that doesn't equated some catastrophe event. Global warming is happening on Mars and it sure doesn't have humans that is causing this warming.
I agree all drivers should practice fuel conservation and one of the best ways to reduce speed.
If reducing SPEED is the key, then what is wrong with IDLING? Zero mph equals zero emmissions and zero costs, right? Yes, KC.... I am a TEAM driver. But, I try REAL HARD to consider the problems facing the industry from the viewpoint of the "real trucker" .... the SOLO driver, who PRODUCES less per day than he sleeps (in most cases) and B!tches TWICE as much! :lol: I will say ONE MORE TIME for those who don't see the writing on the wall, the BEST solution to the problems faced by the trucking industry, (fuel expense, parking spaces, driver turnover rates, pollution, clogged highways, etc..) is to make ALL "freight relocation" other than local deliveries, TEAM OPERATIONS!!! TRAINS change conductors and keep moving! Why must thousands of trucks sit still at night (usually idling) to do the same job of moving freight? The fuel savings would be astronomical..... and hometime would be a WEEKLY occurrance! Families would be strengthened, and turnover reduced. But, that makes TOO much sense! It will NEVER happen because there are too many BBR'ers out there who base their self-worth on the "looks" of their truck, and their individual rights to B!tch about how hard their LIFE is! :roll: The World is changing, KC! And there is NO REASON to believe that the trucking industry is IMMUNE to those changes! I like running "solo" as much as the rest of you, but I STILL get to drive a truck, I still get to see the country, I get MORE hometime, and I WASTE LESS FUEL! :roll: This is NOT your grandfather's trucking industry! Those days are gone in one way or another. I'm ALL for going BACK.... but, I don't see it happening. Regulation.... Taxation..... Stagnation..... fuel costs, Insurance costs, MADD, SADD, and the lawsuit du jouir! Idling is, as someone said, just the tip of the iceberg! And, yes.... it affects us "teamers" too!
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#43
05-17-2008, 11:42 PM
I have always felt that IdleAire was too expensive. Their capital investment was very substantial. In order to recover their costs they would need to charge more than they are currently and most drivers and companies are not willing to pay more to hook up to IdleAire than they could idle their trucks. If I were going to use IdleAire often I would buy an APU and put it on my truck.
#44
05-18-2008, 02:26 AM
Your assumption that TEAM operation is the answer doesn't take into account the length of the average distance of the pickup to delivery mileage. While coast to coast distance does make TEAM operation an advantage the majority of deliveries are no where near those distance. Now if you could get every delivery to be drop and hook with limited distance between delivery and pickup then TEAM operation could be justified. But I don't see that happening.
A much better approach, and one the industry is slowly go to, is train operation. More and more freight is being transferred by containers which leads itself to train operations with short travel distances to the final customer. Most freight is not time sensitivity and could be moved by trains at a much cheaper overall cost. Quoting from the article: http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglobal.htm
What he doesn't tell you is that almost 500 scientists from around the world signed the Heidleburg Appeal in 1992 just prior to the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, expressing their doubts and begging the delegates not to bind the world to any dire treaties based on global warming. Today that figure has grown to over 4000.
He also doesn't tell you that recently a Gallup Poll of eminent North American climatologists showed that 83 percent of them debunked the global warming theory. And the deceit knows no bounds. The United Nations released a report at the end of 1996 saying Global Warming was a fact, yet before releasing the report two key paragraphs were deleted from the final draft. Those two paragraphs, written by the scientists who did the actual scientific analysis said: 1. "none of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases." 2. "no study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to ...man-made causes." kc0iv
#45
05-21-2008, 05:50 PM
OOOPS . . I was wrong about IA in Fargo . . I was routed back through a few days after my original post and everything/one was up and running . . perhaps they all had the day off for my previous stop.
On the other hand, tonight I'm in Lost Hills, CA (Loves) and IA has been removed, lock, stock and barrel . . I wonder who picked up that tab . . The only thing left behind is the anchors in the pavement and the extra wide parking holes! As usual, GMan is right . . just plain too much loot. I met the GM of the Flying J in Corning, CA during their grand opening . . awhile ago . . and ran into her again, today. She said with the soaring price of fuel, sales are off in every department. Shoplifting is going through the roof . . Drive offs from the fuel islands are rare because their system is so good. There has been an increase in siphon reports out in the parking lot and all three truck stops have requested a stronger police presence. Sounds like there isn't any money leftover to pay for frills like IA.
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#46
05-21-2008, 05:54 PM
OOOPS . . I was wrong about IA in Fargo . . I was routed back through a few days after my original post and everything/one was up and running . . perhaps they all had the day off for my previous stop.
On the other hand, tonight I'm in Lost Hills, CA (Loves) and IA has been removed, lock, stock and barrel . . I wonder who picked up that tab . . The only thing left behind is the anchors in the pavement and the extra wide parking holes! As usual, GMan is right . . just plain too much loot. I met the GM of the Flying J in Corning, CA during their grand opening . . awhile ago . . and ran into her again, today. She said with the soaring price of fuel, sales are off in every department. Shoplifting is going through the roof . . Drive offs from the fuel islands are rare because their system is so good. There has been an increase in siphon reports out in the parking lot and all three truck stops have requested a stronger police presence. Sounds like there isn't any money leftover to pay for frills like IA.
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#47
05-21-2008, 05:58 PM
OOOPS . . I was wrong about IA in Fargo . . I was routed back through a few days after my original post and everything/one was up and running . . perhaps they all had the day off for my previous stop.
On the other hand, tonight I'm in Lost Hills, CA (Loves) and IA has been removed, lock, stock and barrel . . I wonder who picked up that tab . . The only thing left behind is the anchors in the pavement and the extra wide parking holes! As usual, GMan is right . . just plain too much loot. I met the GM of the Flying J in Corning, CA over a customer service issue . . awhile ago . . and ran into her again, today. She said with the soaring price of fuel, sales are off in every department. Shoplifting is going through the roof . . Drive offs from the fuel islands are rare because their system is so good but she's pretty sure she's heard every attemp to scam in the book. There has been an increase in siphon reports out in the parking lot and all three truck stops have requested a stronger police presence. Sounds like there isn't any money leftover to pay for frills like IA.
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#48
05-22-2008, 07:31 AM
California doesnt allow APU's to keep the cab of the truck to within livable conditions, but they allow reefers ?
Originally Posted by Double L
I use to think that IdleAire would be EVERYWHERE with the increase in the price of diesel! I was wrong! I'm curious and this maybe off topic but are APU's still allowed in Cali? Last I heard Cali is supposely banning APU's cause they "pollute"? :roll:
#49
05-22-2008, 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Originally Posted by Bumper
I have used it many times. I never thought of it as a scam. Yes you paid for it, but no, your truck was not idling and wasting fuel. And the cost of the fuel you would have wasted was more than the cost of idleaire.
APUs are not legal in CA, yet. A company driver does not and never will look at what it cost's in wear & tear. As an O/O I would be a fool not to take it into consideration. As for the parking situation...IA has never stopped the APU dudes, the reefer dudes..or the idlers from doing so. I see all of them parked at IA all the time. Some of them next to me. I get tired of the APU's filling my cab with their exhaust. They should have the exhaust pipe rigged to discharge behind the tractor, not under the neighboring truck.
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#50
05-22-2008, 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by Double L
$10.00 for a movie, last time I checked you can rent a movie from Blockbuster for $7.00 unless the price went up.
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