Log books and tim zones
#31
02-17-2008, 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by sbatson
So let me see if I get this, say I drove 5 hours to shipper and it took 3 hours to unload, I can log this into sleeper berth( rather I really did or not) and after loaded I pull out and can run another 6 hours and then I need to stop for my 10 but really 7 since I already got 3 earlier in the sleeper?
The 2 hour break does not extend the 14 hour clock. If you take 3 hours in the sleeper you still need to take 8 at the end of your 14 hour clock. I will send you some split breaking examples also.
#32
02-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by sbatson
Ok I have a question say I drove for 5 hours to the shipper and it took 3 hours to unload and I took a nap during the 3 hour unload, where would I log this and how does that work on my 11/14 rule?
Line 2 (sleeper berth) means your body was in the sleeper. It doesn't mean you was sleeping, just means you was in the sleeper. Therfore in your example you said you took a nap so you would log that 3 hours in the sleeper. Going to the sleeper will only save your hours on your 70 hour, not your 14 hour. Now the 3 hours is going to count against your 14 hour clock. The only way to extend or stop the clock is to have 8 hours in the SLEEPER. So from the time you entered lines 3 or 4 after the 10 hour consecutive break you had 14 hours to get your 11 hours in. If you take a 2 hrs or 7.75 hour break you still must stop DRIVING at the end of your 14 hour Example: If I did my pre-trip @ 10:00 am I would count over 14 hours on the clock and thats when I must stop driving. The driving time in between 10:00 am and midnight can not total more than 11 hours of driving. Whichever comes first the 11 or 14 hour you must stop DRIVING, you can be on line 4 for however long you would like! I can pm you a picture of this very example if you would like not quite correct, a period of at least 2 hours in the sleeper will also stop the clock, but then you have to take another 8. you still cant drive more than 11 like you said G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule? A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours). The 2 hour break does NOT stop the clock ! That's why it says of @ least 8 consecutive hours is exlcuded from the calculation and then it goes to say all OTHER sleeper berth periods are included. The 2 hour break can be a combination of lines 1 & 2 but does not STOP the CLOCK (EXTEND IT).
#33
02-17-2008, 11:00 AM
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by sbatson
So its either 10 or 8 and 2? Is this what they call split sleeper berth?
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/
#34
02-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by sbatson
Ok I have a question say I drove for 5 hours to the shipper and it took 3 hours to unload and I took a nap during the 3 hour unload, where would I log this and how does that work on my 11/14 rule?
Line 2 (sleeper berth) means your body was in the sleeper. It doesn't mean you was sleeping, just means you was in the sleeper. Therfore in your example you said you took a nap so you would log that 3 hours in the sleeper. Going to the sleeper will only save your hours on your 70 hour, not your 14 hour. Now the 3 hours is going to count against your 14 hour clock. The only way to extend or stop the clock is to have 8 hours in the SLEEPER. So from the time you entered lines 3 or 4 after the 10 hour consecutive break you had 14 hours to get your 11 hours in. If you take a 2 hrs or 7.75 hour break you still must stop DRIVING at the end of your 14 hour Example: If I did my pre-trip @ 10:00 am I would count over 14 hours on the clock and thats when I must stop driving. The driving time in between 10:00 am and midnight can not total more than 11 hours of driving. Whichever comes first the 11 or 14 hour you must stop DRIVING, you can be on line 4 for however long you would like! I can pm you a picture of this very example if you would like not quite correct, a period of at least 2 hours in the sleeper will also stop the clock, but then you have to take another 8. you still cant drive more than 11 like you said G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule? A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours). The 2 hour break does NOT stop the clock ! That's why it says of @ least 8 consecutive hours is exlcuded from the calculation and then it goes to say all OTHER sleeper berth periods are included. The 2 hour break can be a combination of lines 1 & 2 but does not STOP the CLOCK (EXTEND IT). maybe I interpret it wrong, but we both came up with the same results.
#35
02-17-2008, 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by Cat6869
Originally Posted by sbatson
Ok I have a question say I drove for 5 hours to the shipper and it took 3 hours to unload and I took a nap during the 3 hour unload, where would I log this and how does that work on my 11/14 rule?
Line 2 (sleeper berth) means your body was in the sleeper. It doesn't mean you was sleeping, just means you was in the sleeper. Therfore in your example you said you took a nap so you would log that 3 hours in the sleeper. Going to the sleeper will only save your hours on your 70 hour, not your 14 hour. Now the 3 hours is going to count against your 14 hour clock. The only way to extend or stop the clock is to have 8 hours in the SLEEPER. So from the time you entered lines 3 or 4 after the 10 hour consecutive break you had 14 hours to get your 11 hours in. If you take a 2 hrs or 7.75 hour break you still must stop DRIVING at the end of your 14 hour Example: If I did my pre-trip @ 10:00 am I would count over 14 hours on the clock and thats when I must stop driving. The driving time in between 10:00 am and midnight can not total more than 11 hours of driving. Whichever comes first the 11 or 14 hour you must stop DRIVING, you can be on line 4 for however long you would like! I can pm you a picture of this very example if you would like not quite correct, a period of at least 2 hours in the sleeper will also stop the clock, but then you have to take another 8. you still cant drive more than 11 like you said G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule? A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours). The 2 hour break does NOT stop the clock ! That's why it says of @ least 8 consecutive hours is exlcuded from the calculation and then it goes to say all OTHER sleeper berth periods are included. The 2 hour break can be a combination of lines 1 & 2 but does not STOP the CLOCK (EXTEND IT). maybe I interpret it wrong, but we both came up with the same results. The below statement was out of the very link you gave me. I am not arguing just making sure it's clear the 2 hour break or longer does not extend or stop the clock. Only 8 hours in the sleeper will extend the 14 hour clock (or as you put it stop the clock). However, the trick here is the two-hour portion of the split does not stop the 14-hour on-duty clock. If you start @ 6:00 am and drive 5 hours and take 6 hours in the sleeper you only have 3 hours left to drive, then you either must take a 10 hour break or an 8 hour sleeper break, thus putting you in the split break mode and you must understand split breaking because it gets tricky (but easy) after that 2nd break. |
