No I did not say dispatchers cubicles were located in building with no facilities ...What I did say was that during their 10 hr break in a sleeping bag being taken at their cubicle (place of work) that they not have acess to facilities with running water /toilet just like when a driver camps out at a shipper or eceiver after hours to make on time :wink:


And why is it that as a last ditch effort to rationalize a jobs pay in civilian life some people whip out the military pay scale ...Full and well knowing the military pays almost nothing to it's employees ...Lets keep the copmarisons to civilian life :wink:

 

You DID "set the conditions," and implied that they wouldn't have running water or toilets.

With proper trip planning, one should be able to position themselves at a truckstop or rest area within a short drive of their "morning" delivery time. In the FEW times that I arrived at a receiver whose shipping office was not open ALL NIGHT, with facilities, I did my dirty business earlier in the day, and peed in a bottle or behind a bush. Sure, it's not all the comforts of home..... but if I wanted THEM, I wouldn't be an OTR truck driver!

Because it is a GOOD example of how trucking is not the ONLY job that requires one to be away from home, yet doesn't pay for every minute of life! When I was in the military, I made as much or more than most civilian jobs (non professional) and NEVER griped about the fact that I wasn't getting paid for the time I slept, ate, used the bathroom, watched T.V., etc!

Traveling salesmen don't.... Evangelists don't.... even people on business trips don't!! ONLY a narcissist, who failed at OTR driving WOULD!! :roll:

Not even the PRESIDENT gets paid for being "on call" 24/7!!! So, WHY is it that TRUCKERS feel they are entitled to more than ANYONE else in life gets??

ANY driver who equates a $35k PLUS/yr job to $7/hr.... doesn't have the math skills to even BE a trucker! To them I say..... Mickey D's is HIRING!! Enjoy your "offtime" and all the money you'll have to spend on yourself and your family! :roll:

 

good point, I'm making more than I ever even thought of making before and lovin it.

 

I said:

Wasn't aiming that arrow at YOU, Jeep!! I think you KNOW who I had in mind! :wink:

 

Even if it was aimed at me I have very thick skin , and would just toss it back in civilized manner ( with some sarcastic overtones of course) . :wink: In my case while Driving for Werner with their paperless logs the best way to get a load after MT was if you could take your ten hour break at the cons ,and not start your clock until you sent your empty Macro on the qualcom . As for almost always being able to park it at a truck stop pretty much ALL the multi stop sears and office max loads I ever delivered required me to utilize the docks of those customers as shut down points so I could 1 be there on time in the morning , and so I did not need to start my 14 hr clock until after getting unloaded giving my 14 HR clock the best chance of not running out before the final stop .

 

Jeep said:

Okay, FIRST, let me say how much I would HATE to have to utilize paperless logs! I am equally against EOBR's for basically the same reason! If the powers that be are going to get THAT strict on our every movement, they need to LOOSEN the regs on HOS so that we can do our jobs!

What I am saying is that, IF you find a good shutdown place (with running water) the night before your delivery, and you get your required 8-10 hours sleep (depending on split logging or not,) you SHOULD be able to move the truck a FEW miles in the morning without starting your 14 hour clock IF you are going to sit there for HOURS waiting to get loaded!

I didn't totally understand your scenario, as for how many stops you had to do AFTER the original shutdown, but then.... I don't do alot of multiple drops at "end user" stores.

Secondly, "I".... and 90% of all drivers, can manipulate the logs a bit to do JUST as I suggested, and STILL have a full clock to work with. I wouldn't work for a company that forced me to do otherwise.

As for the qualcomm messages. I NEVER send in my "arrived" or "departed" messages in REAL TIME! I suppose that, IN THE EVENT of a fatal accident, someone COULD get all the GPS info they needed to convict me, but I'm not going to HELP them by telling them exactly when I got or left somewhere. I have a "substantiated" record of sending messages in hours after the fact, so that no one can use them to compare to my logs! (they would be useless in a standard audit.)

I don't plan on every HAVING a fatal accident, but if it happens, they won't be able to nail me based on an ACTUAL time entry by ME as to when I was WHERE! There IS a law against falsifying logs, but I'm unaware of any law against being LATE sending a qualcom message.

But..... nevertheless...... paperless logs or EOBR's be dammned..... I'm not going to spend all night in a receiver's parking lot with NO facilities if I don't HAVE to! I will shut down at a truckstop, then utilize the split logging method to allow me to get to my receiver, take a two hour or more break, and then drive the rest of my time for the day. Then, I will shut down for only EIGHT, and be on the road two hours sooner to get to my next delivery.

Truth be known.... I will shut down at the truckstop, and then (abscense of EOBR interference in my duties, I will SAY that I spent the night at the receiver, thus not starting my log until I leave there (and including the miles in my daily report.) [If they are in the same city, I believe this would qualify for the multiple stops in one city rule, and all you have to do is account for the miles driving, and the TIME required to do so.]

It IS a shame that those who make the rules have NO idea of what we are up against, but it is somewhat comforting that MOST DOT officers DO!

All I know is, I will NOT let government ignorance control my life or my career. If it gets to the point that EOBR's and whatnot force me to not make a living, I will get OUT! This is NOT my only option in life!

Meanwhile, I will do my best to stay within the 11/14 hour rules, because I BELIEVE in them! And I will make my logs show that I DID so!

 

So I guess you decline all hourly detention money after 2 hours, right? Ditto for layover pay?

 

Heck.... I don't even GET "detention pay," and my layover pay doesn't really cover the TIME I'm laid over, but..... since I'm not WORKING, and am free to do what I want, and since I make enough PER MILE to make my 5 or 6 day trip WORTH it.... I don't care! :lol:

Bottom line..... I divide my paycheck by the hours I REALLY spent "working" and I make more money than I've made at other jobs.... and I had some GOOD paying jobs!

My bills are PAID, I have money in my pocket and my savings account, and life is good! And the icing on the cake??..... I don't have to do the same thing day in and day out, like YOU do! If I wanted to do THAT..... I might as well have stayed at my OLD job!

I get to see the country, be free, and do as I please to a large extent! I get my job done on MY schedule, and do alot of sightseeing as well!

I wake up every day with a different sunrise and a different "task." I don't have to rehearse the joke I'll tell to the same old waitress at the "stopover" cafe on your "dedicated" run!

I get home (not that I have a family) two days or more a week, and see the whole of the country in between! So, you see.... not ALL OTR jobs are as bad as YOU say they are!

And ONE thing is for sure..... when I come on this board, (other than my political rants) I am happy and encouraging. Not bitter, cold, and depressing! So..... what have YOU got that "I" could possibly want??

A LOCAL job???? Not HARDLY!!!! :lol: :lol:

 

Just who do you drive for Golfhobo ?

 

Golfhobo--THEY DONT GET IT! I think we need to get back to the Owner Operator forum and stay off of this one. They know it all, thats why they drive someone elses truck, slave for Fridays little reward and hope that they get home when and if promised.

To all of you that enjoy being "forced" into loads and coming here complaining about it, GOOD LUCK and I will see you on the front page of the newspapers and the evening news when you kill a van loaded with college students and you cant explain what happened.

KEEP ON TRUCKIN'