Poor Pre-trips.
#11
06-30-2007, 12:21 AM
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Originally Posted by inmate1577
Well I can do a post trip, but it is rather irrelevant. So lets see, I stop for the night after a long day. I find a bad tire on the trailer. It has to be changed, no doubt about it. Yet, I have about 2 hours left on my 14 for the day. Now I have so spend 30 min on the phone (hopefully) to get someone to come out to fix the tire. Of course this has to be logged as "on duty, not driving" And lets hope that Mr. Tireguy gets there before I go over my hours and lets hope he gets there before I go to sleep.
I have discovered that problems at the end of the day can easily be remedied at the beginning of the day. And since a**holes like to pull the handles on 5th wheels and tandems (which has happened to me) its wayyyyyy more important to check these things before I hit the road (which I do) and put the public at peril. I am not putting anyone at peril if I'm parked for the night so therefore I do not do Post-trips. When I'm stopped for the night I dont have to worry about DOT inspections or placing anyone at risk because the truck is NOT moving. Our fleet had a rash of bad problems the last couple of days. Since the rain has been never ending (19 inches in the area in the last couple of days). We hada driver call up talking about vibrations under power.. turned out to be the rear most U-joint. Either the combination of not enough maintanence or the greaseworms are really bad this year! The rear U- joint was burned to a crisp! Then last night another less attenive driver had the same U-joint (different truck) actually burned up, came apart and destroyed the driveshaft, airlines, and three airbags... :roll:
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#12
06-30-2007, 12:26 AM
[quote="inmate1577"]
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related.
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#13
06-30-2007, 01:53 AM
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related.
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06-30-2007, 02:54 AM
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That has always been the one rule that has been the most misunderstood in the HOS. It used to be the 15 hour rule and now it is the 14 hour rule. People think that means you can not work after that time period when it says you can not longer drive after that hour until you have your break.
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#15
06-30-2007, 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by fireman932003
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related.
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#16
06-30-2007, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by inmate1577
Fozzy wrote:
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related. There is no limit on WORK and there never has been. You can legally WORK 24 hours a day. You just cannot DRIVE again until you have a 10 hour break. After the proper break you can DRIVE 11 hours in a 14 hour period after which you must not DRIVE again until you take a 10 hour break. It is the break that gives you your driving time. HOS rules is about access to the steering wheel. nothing more. you are not breaking any HOS rules by WORKING.
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#17
06-30-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally Posted by fireman932003
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related.
Yeah........you. Unless you are under the delusion that you have 14 hours to work AND 11 hours to drive. Its a combination of both. Cannot driver after the 11th and cannot work after the 14th.
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06-30-2007, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by inmate1577
Originally Posted by fireman932003
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Yes, you can run out of your 14hrs just sitting. Anything that is work related is "On duty , not driving" that includes sitting at a loading dock getting loaded or waiting for a repair, its all work related.
Yeah........you. Unless you are under the delusion that you have 14 hours to work AND 11 hours to drive. Its a combination of both. Cannot driver after the 11th and cannot work after the 14th.
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#19
06-30-2007, 12:23 PM
Unfortunately you are still wrong
Hours of Service, simply stated: Drivers may drive up to 11 hours instead of 10 hours, but are limited to 14 hours in a duty period. The 14- hour duty period may not be extended with off-duty time for meal and fuel stops, etc. Only the use of a sleeper berth can extend the 14-hour on-duty period.Each duty period must begin with at least 10 hours off-duty, rather than eight. The 60 hours on-duty in 7 consecutive days, or 70 hours on-duty in 8 consecutive days, remains the same, but drivers can “restart” the 7/8-day period by taking at least 34 consecutive hours off-duty. Once again........ONLY THE USE OF A SLEEPER BERTH CAN EXTEND THE ON DUTY PERIOD. Most companies do accept the "sleeper berth" as legitiimate if you are at a shipper getting loaded, or sitting on the interstate waiting for a repair or present for the repair and neither will the DOT.
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06-30-2007, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by inmate1577
Unfortunately you are still wrong
Hours of Service, simply stated: Drivers may drive up to 11 hours instead of 10 hours, but are limited to 14 hours in a duty period. The 14- hour duty period may not be extended with off-duty time for meal and fuel stops, etc. Only the use of a sleeper berth can extend the 14-hour on-duty period.Each duty period must begin with at least 10 hours off-duty, rather than eight. The 60 hours on-duty in 7 consecutive days, or 70 hours on-duty in 8 consecutive days, remains the same, but drivers can “restart” the 7/8-day period by taking at least 34 consecutive hours off-duty. Once again........ONLY THE USE OF A SLEEPER BERTH CAN EXTEND THE ON DUTY PERIOD. Most companies do accept the "sleeper berth" as legitiimate if you are at a shipper getting loaded, or sitting on the interstate waiting for a repair or present for the repair and neither will the DOT.
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