[MichiganDriver]

Originally Posted by Roadhog

Come on MD, I never gave you the impression I'm all against progress.

My post was a little broader than it needed to be.

I could be mistaken but aren't you dead set against Green Energy? Finding new ways to pump oil out of the ground so we can keep living in the 1900s doesn't sound like progress to me.

(btw, I'm not really a Green Energy guy. I could care less what the next big thing is. I decided 25 years ago that the solution to all our energy problems was simple. Just raise the fuel tax at the pump by 10 cents every year. By now gas would be around $6 a gallon, cars would get 60mpg, we'd import far less oil from people that hate us, alternative energy sources would be all the rage. Simple.)

[Roadhog]

Originally Posted by MichiganDriver

My post was a little broader than it needed to be.

I could be mistaken but aren't you dead set against Green Energy? Finding new ways to pump oil out of the ground so we can keep living in the 1900s doesn't sound like progress to me.

(btw, I'm not really a Green Energy guy. I could care less what the next big thing is. I decided 25 years ago that the solution to all our energy problems was simple. Just raise the fuel tax at the pump by 10 cents every year. By now gas would be around $6 a gallon, cars would get 60mpg, we'd import far less oil from people that hate us, alternative energy sources would be all the rage. Simple.)

No, .... that's just the media narrative, about conservatives being against green energy.

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by MichiganDriver

Progress is a bad thing? I thought moving from caves to houses and campfires to coal and then oil and then natural gas heating was a natural progression like evolution. And along with that we went from horse and buggy to cars and now NYC doesn't have mountains of horse poop to deal with.

Now we should stand up and say that the days of progress are behind us? Isn't that like saying our best days are behind us? We're better than that in my view.

Well, if you want to put it that way, perhaps, they are behind us. During WWII, we were going to win the war because "GOD WAS ON OUR SIDE". Today, we've kicked him in the rump and told him to get out. We've become a nation that's afraid to correct our kids, which gives us a generation that believes success is not getting caught with illegal drugs. Many of the big companies we have, if they were trying to start out today, they couldn't because of the "Liability" factor When a crack-head gets his finger caught in something.

In some areas, we've made progress. In other areas, we're pushing ourselves back to the stone ages.

[Fredog]

I like Rare Earth, their best song was get ready

[golfhobo]

Windwalker said:

During WWII, we were going to win the war because "GOD WAS ON OUR SIDE".

Nope... that's not the way I learned about it. We were going to (and did) win WWII because AMERICANS were on "our side." And OTHER countries were on our side as well. With the debacle of the Vietnam War, we LOST the support of about 30% of Americans. As a result of Dubya's WARS.... about 80% of Americans no longer support our actions (although they still support our troops.)

Al Quaida believes THEY will win the war because GOD is on their side! How's that working for them? You win wars when the PUBLIC believes in the cause. Neither the majority of Americans... NOR the majority of Muslims.... believe in this war. So... I guess we both lose (or come to a stalemate.)

Today, we've kicked him in the rump and told him to get out.

I don't buy THAT, either. Partly due to the War on Terrorism, there has been a resurgence in religious influence and awareness in our country... and our government.

We've become a nation that's afraid to correct our kids, which gives us a generation that believes success is not getting caught with illegal drugs.

This I agree with.

Many of the big companies we have, if they were trying to start out today, they couldn't because of the "Liability" factor When a crack-head gets his finger caught in something.

I don't quite believe this. True... the really BIG corps got that way by exploiting labor and ignoring safety. But, there are companies started every DAY under current "regulations" and laws that are quite successful. I guarantee that anyone injured in today's workforce will be drug tested and, if shown to be on crack or anything else, will be fired without recourse.

In some areas, we've made progress. In other areas, we're pushing ourselves back to the stone ages.

You mean back to the time when gays were stoned to death? Protestors were dismembered? Lower class humans were bought and sold... owned... by the rich like so many cattle?

Yeah... if the GOP wins... you might be correct.

[MichiganDriver]

To follow along with your reasoning Windwalker, I guess God is fickle and decided he didn't like us in Korea and Vietnam. I'm not even going to touch on more recent conflicts because of the politics involved.

[MichiganDriver]

Originally Posted by Fredog

I like Rare Earth, their best song was get ready

That same thought has occurred to me checking this thread.

[Roadhog]

I haven't checked the prices yet, on some of these materials, but I bet the recycling of these products will make it a good deal for some people. I use to scrap metals as a sideline, and still do, only on a much smaller scale. I don't know how many of these have hazmat concerns? I know dumping some of these products, require special care. Still, the more difficult meeting demand for the material, the more it would pay to recycle.

[Roadhog]

Originally Posted by Fredog

I like Rare Earth, their best song was get ready

:thumbsup: Another thing we have in common....like we both like chicken breasts too >>> (buk buk buk Pa-Cock!)

[CleeIB]

Originally Posted by Fredog

I like Rare Earth, their best song was get ready

I'm partial to "I Just Want to Celebrate" myself