Okay, IlikeIke: I've read all your links. I even wasted an hour or so on the INFOWARS link. I now have a BETTER understanding of this "fake," and your position on all of this.

I waded through the first two 15 min segments on Infowars, as well as the last one. I just couldn't force myself to sit through segments 3 and 4. I'm pretty sure they were just more of the same.

I heard Alex Jones FAWNING all over this guy, as most rightwing radio hosts tend to do.... and I heard him correct his OWN biography several times. I think Jones said that he'd been through EIGHT wars! :eek2::roll::hellno:

I heard PiecSHIRT even admit that he NEVER served directly under Kissinger, but only under Eagleberger. The number or administrations seem to fluctuate between THREE and 5 or 6. I even heard BOTH of them claim that HE was the model for the character of Dr. Ryan of Clancy fame (another FICTION WRITER.)

I'm about through with this B.S. In ONE of those videos, he didn't even SAY that UBL was dead.... but, that they SUSPECTED he was dead of Marfans! I'll guarantee you a few things: that if UBL died in 2001, and the gov't kept him on ice, that DUBYA would have trotted out his corpse before the 2004 election to ensure his re-election! And if it was STILL a secret.... Obama would have waited until CLOSER to the 2012 election to make his claim of a kill! As it stands right now.... the bump Obama got MAY diminish before NEXT fall!

THIS GUY IS A TOTAL FAKE!

NO ONE on earth could have done all the things he's claimed to have done without being WELL KNOWN and with a bigger "google" footprint than this guy has! He's been heralded by the IDIOTS of rightwing radio and "believed" ONLY by the fools who listen to it!

He claims to be a doctor (and to have spoken with doctors around the world who served everyone from HITLER to UBL,) but NEVER mentions any bad guys like Milosevich or even Mubarak! He talks about the lies of the last 3 presidents, but never mentions Nixon, Reagan or Carter! (that he supposedly served in high places under.) He has an agenda that started with Clinton.... though claims a resume that begins under Nixon! What... NO MENTION of "arms for hostages?"

He claims to have written our policy for "hostage negotiations," and then even claims to have interrogated prisoners of the War on Terror. IF he held such a high postion under these MANY administrations.... he would NOT have had any direct contact with those interrogated! [Which he claims he did.] :hellno:

He seems to be more concerned with ECONOMICS under Obama, yet has NO creds to that effect. He claims to be a doctor.... yet never ONCE mentioned Obamacare! :roll:

Need I go on? I have reluctantly established my creds as an intelligence analyst on this forum, and I can provide more info now that I know that most of what I did has been declassified (see another thread,) and I have NEVER claimed the high positions that this FAKE has claimed! But, I was TAUGHT to recognize B.S. when I see it.... and this guy is FULL of it! :roll:

Does our gov't LIE to the people? YES... they do! That is our JOB in some cases! I've been lying most of my life! YOU are not supposed to be privy to ALL the truth! It's not that you "can't handle the truth," it's that loose lips sink ships! :hellno:

Less than 5% of our population VOLUNTEER for the services, and less than .05 % of THEM qualify for the intelligence services! Somewhat like the SEALS.... WE are the "best of the best!"

Now.... you can take that idiot Alex Jones' word.... or you can take MINE. I really don't CARE, and I have NO ILLUSIONS that you will make the right choice!

..... But, you DID ask!

Maybe you know all about rebuilding a combustible engine. I DON'T! When my car breaks down, I take it to an EXPERT. I don't necessarily believe everything he tells me I NEED..... but, I don't have the "creds" to argue with him.

You may think the gov't is the SAME... and I share your concern. But, I have the knowledge to know when "they" are lying. Alex Jones does NOT.... and I don't think YOU do either. (based on your posts.)

I think I'm DONE here.... unless you are OPEN to a discussion of FACTS and not INNUENDOS.

 

I missed seeing this the first time around. But, I've heard things with Alex Jones involved before.

Ever hear the saying: "There's a sucker born every minute."?

I'm afraid that when you begin to involve people like Alex Jones, it reminds me of the way that extremists recruit membership. They "prey" on people that are looking to improve their own lives, people with limited education, and promise them something better. I recognize a slightly different slant on the same thing. Now, suppose I give you a couple of facts that you may not know.

Alex Jones is one of the people, that some years ago, made a statement that the concentration camps in Germany did not exist. That the gas furnaces were a figment of someone's imagination. I also knew an elderly couple in Philadelphia that owned a Polish restaurant. Both of them survived Auschwitz. And, between their version of what went on and the version of Alex Jones, there was a 180 degree phase shift. It amounted to Alex Jones trying to tell two survivors of a death camp that they experienced was a figment of their imagination. Sebina and her husband had numbers tattooed on the inside forearm of the left arm, put there by the Germans during WWII. I'm afraid that he's a bunch of bullcrap.

What you're listening to in those videos is actually a form of hypnosis. The way they present it, conditions you to accept it as fact. Some people are more more easily won over to it than others. They don't care about the rest of us, but as long as their technique maintains their following, that works. It keep them employed, so to speak. If everyone quit listening to them, they'd be out of work.

I know a couple of Arab Internet Sites, and I do have translation software. I don't post anything on them, and when I go there, it is "INCOGNITO". They don't know I'm looking in. I can tell you that they were buzzing with the news that Bin Laden was killed even before the news media broke the story here. What I'm seeing contradicts everything that Jones and Pieczenik are saying.

It means that, not only has the government convinced the American People that Bin Laden has been alive for the last ten years, it also means they've been able to convince Al Queda that he was alive. Got any idea how fantastic an accomplishment that would have to be? How extensive the fraud would have to be? How many people would have to be involved? Not possible. There is no way that many people would keep it a secret that long.

I'm afraid you and quite a number of people have been HAD. No wonder so many people are against the war. If Bin Laden was dead, there was no reason to go to war. If you listen to a crack-pot, you're going to sound like one too. The only reason I can see for Pieczenik to be in that camp is for personal gain of some kind.

 

Crickets..... !

 

"I think I'm DONE here.... unless you are OPEN to a discussion of FACTS and not INNUENDOS."

Post some facts and we'll discuss them.

 

I don't have a lot of time to research and verify "facts" that most of us find to be credible. I'm sure you have a "template" ready for anything I would say.

1: There was a fairly well-known news reporter on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. She is no longer on the air. Did she sell her soul for anonymity? [And this would apply to THOUSANDS of Americans who aren't here today!]

2: There are numerous "tapes" of cellphone conversations with the "soon to be" DEAD. Where are they (the people) NOW?

3: Recently, we found out that certain "smartphones" track your GPS whether you "allow" it or not. I wonder if any of those "tracks" would support YOUR theory... or the gov'ts?

4: We have airport security photos of the hijackers getting ONTO those planes. We have conclusive FBI reports that the hijackers were training to fly large aircraft. [What a COINCIDENCE "that" would be!]

5: We have Bin Laden and A.Q. tapes taking credit for it AND honestly saying they didn't expect the outcome they got. [Admissions of guilt WITHOUT "waterboarding!"]

6: We have "deer in the headlights" video of Bush hearing the news! He's NOT that good of an actor!

7: We have conclusive proof (IMHO) that Bush was looking for a reason (and would CREATE it) to invade Iraq LONG before 9/11! He didn't NEED to kill thousands of Americans, nearly destroy the economy, and whatever ELSE you think he did, to go to war!

8: We have the Clinton report that warned us of an attack on U.S. soil. [and more recent ones saying they probably can't do it again, and therefore should concentrate on U.S. properties/assets in foreing countries.]

9: We have the video of the collapse of the towers, and contrary to ANY reports, I don't see any evidence of "controlled demolition charges."

And then we could talk about Norad and the "defense posture" of the time (which I know quite a bit about,) that led us to be caught off guard.

What do YOU have? Crackpots on radio saying they KNOW something? :hellno:

What is your agenda? What dog do you have in this fight? You can't POSSIBLY hate Dubya more than I do (for what he did to this country AFTER the attack.)

But, to suggest that our gov't, or our president, would do what YOU say he did... is TREASONOUS and amounts to PIZZING ON THE GRAVES of the Hundreds of Thousands of American soldiers buried throughout the world, the founding fathers, and the documents and ideals that formed our great nation!

It insults the dedication of thousands in the intelligence community, (many of whom WARNED of this,) and assigns to them a nefarious intention that would implicate them in subversive activities. And YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT!!

Now... I'll consider your "so called" FACTS, when you've addressed every ONE of mine. And not one minute before!