I do agree with you a lot on this, but will go further:
The incarceration rate is so high and the prision industry is such a growth industry that they are often the ones funding efforts to increase sentences including paying judges kickbacks!!!! That is scary. Instead of ever increasing the incarceration rate and sentenses we should be going the other way. Of course we want the worst scum locked up but a pothead and a petty thief locked up with murderers and rapists?? Where the capacity is to lock people up, the 'material' will be found...
talk about dissidents Bradley Manning is in solitary in a maximum sec prision for 6 mos now because he spoke out about the wrong doing he percieved and subsequently leaked secrets to Wikileaks to publish. To me thats a dissident, but in our media he is largely condemned as a traitor....Yes he broke the law and he knows he will be punished for that but his treatment goes far beyond what you could expect while awaiting trial for mishandling classified info (justifyably classified or just kept from us?). The truth will set you free. Without truth there is no freedom. Without the free flow of information there is no accountability.

 

You REALLY need to outgrow your fear of a socialist takeover of America. Americans will NEVER give up their freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor of assembly..... nor of the VOTE! In the entire history of America, only ONE "ill advised" and economically disastrous Ammendment has EVER been repealed. Entire NATIONS have been defeated when they attacked our freedoms, and throughout the World.... OTHERS are redefining themselves in OUR "political" image.

At a time when America is exporting democracy through OTHER than military means, you fear failure. Though nearly crippled and destroyed by the excesses of greed and corporate piracy, affecting the economies of the World, we are recovering and are STILL in better shape than most countries in the world.... yet, you continue to predict chaos and tyranny.

You show no faith in the American people, our form of government, nor our indomitable spirit. You spread lies and propaganda intended to DIVIDE us with no remorse nor responsibility. As much as I try.... and I really DO try.... I just cannot understand where you come from. You truly seem like a man with no country. And for that, I pity you.

I don't know, but I suspect, that you never wore the uniform of the Armed Forces of America. I don't say that to disparage you, but to try to understand why you have so little FAITH in America. Anyone who has ever served, regardless of political persuasion, does not SHARE your "fear." To a Man (or woman,) gay or straight.... they KNOW we will NEVER be defeated by armed force NOR insurrection and we will NEVER succomb to tyranny!

I know you are a good man, GMAN, and a patriot in your own way. But, you continue to post LIES and misinformation.... in BOLD TYPEFACE.... without ANY attempt to verify your source(s) and with NO regard to its veracity... to the point that you remind me of nothing LESS than a Tokyo Rose..... a "tool" of those who would demoralize and destroy us.

But you will FAIL as surely as all those who "feed" you this crap! Of THAT I am certain.

 

Very good post Golfhobo. Faith in America. Amen brother. We rock and it's about time we quit hanging our collective heads.

One thing that troubles me as I drive around. When I stop at a MickeyDs for morning coffee almost every one has Fox <cough, cough> News on their tv. How much incessant referring to the President as a socialist can a person hear without starting to believe it? President Obama HAD to stimulate the economy thanks to the mess his predecessor left for him just like President Reagan HAD to stimulate the economy in the early 80s thanks to the mess his predecessor left for him. Neither president can be called a socialist for that.

 

I do think that many who are in prison should not have been incarcerated in the first place. We have gotten to the point of locking too many people up for petty things while allowing some of the worst offenders to get a pass.

I still have mixed feelings about the Wiki leaks. If this guy was in our military and leaked secrets, then he should be imprisoned. The problem is whom to you believe. I think many of us have come to distrust our government and the media to the point of not trusting anything that we are told by either. It is such a shame.

 

I never post anything that I don't believe is the truth. I had no reason to believe that it wasn't the truth. Even according to you, this is a prison. It is only the location that is in question. As I stated above, I only cut and pasted the email that I received without making any changes. I don't think that a trucking forum, such as CAD, will demoralize and destroy this country. I have no idea how to check an email such as the one that I posted. Since you did it, then I don't need to worry about it.

I do believe in this country and the American spirit. But, I will continue to speak out against this or any other administration which I believe goes against what this country stands for. And I think that much of what he has done goes against this country. Perhaps we could blame the lack of real world experience or lack of having held a real job during his lifetime. You were very critical of Bush and other conservatives during their time in office. In fact, you still want to blame Bush for much of what is going on in this country. Yet, you want to criticize me for my speaking out against what I consider a corrupt administration. You want to be able to criticize conservatives, but don't want conservatives to criticize your guy. You can't have it both ways, hobo.

 

There are major differences between Reagan and Obama. Reagan believed in the American people and free enterprise. He believed that less government is better than big government and that the best way to stimulate the economy is through lower taxes. Obama believes that the way to move the economy is through expanding government programs, higher taxes and taking over major segments of the U.S. economy. His policies are why most of us refer to Obama being a socialist or worse. You don't need to hear the news to understand his policies. Obama has been given a free ride by much of the major media. They should be as critical of him as they were of Bush and his policies. Bush was also wrong as he expanded government and increased spending. No matter who is in office, higher taxes has never worked to stimulate an economy.

 

MichiganDriver said:

Thank you. Sometimes I get it right.

I have NEVER "hung my head." I am as PROUD now as I have EVER been! I'm feeling so optimistic that I have even begun to give out passes to Dubya! :lol:

I stop at a Hardees/Loves in KY and I see the same thing. But it's okay. How much? Well.... that depends on how GULLIBLE a person/driver is! But, you have nailed "the problem" on the head! People on this board like to bring up Hitler/Nazi references. Hitler would have given (some Jew's) RIGHT ARM for the propaganda machine that is FoxNews! :lol:

Well, there were SOME differences.... but.... I absolutely agree with you! I shouldn't say MORE at this time... but, thanks for your support.

 

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Some have patterned themselves after America as we have moved more toward socialism and a European form of governing.

B.S.!! Most of them know MORE about "socialist" countries in Europe than the average American does! They are striving for the "classic" ideal of a Democratic society as they know of it from American history! Is Iraq patterning their gov't after France or Great Britain? I think not. Are Egyptians clammoring for a "parliamentary" form of gov't? They already HAVE one! But, parliaments are just "window dressing" under the ceiling of totalitarian or monarchistic rule!

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We are in better shape than many countries, but we have an administration and congress that is on a spending binge and is out of control.

Nope! Other than supplementary spending for stimulus or TARP, (due to failures of the last administration,) the spending has been in line with previous administrations. If our GDP had not tanked after Bush, our deficits would be LOWER than previous years! You DO realize that our annual deficits are affected MORE by disparities with tax REVENUES than by actual spending.... right?

So do I! It started when we elected Obama over the conservative old man and his tea party "half-governor." It has been reinforced as Obama's policies have stemmed the massive job losses caused by the Bush depression, and his attempts to rein in corporate/wall street excessive abuses of the American middle class! Every day I see it getting better.

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It's very simple, GMAN. When you get something like this in your email, BEFORE you post it to CAD.... you simply pull up google and type in 2 or 3 of the most PERTINENT words! Like.... Prison / Obama / luxury. You will get a "results" page that most certainly will start out with all the reports, Foxnews commentary, and possibly SNOPES rebuttals! Then you click on and READ 5 or 6 of the internet "reports" about the subject and DECIDE whether or not you think it has value!

That is NOT MY JOB!!! You cannot be excused by saying that you can post whatever someone sends you ... and HOBO will check it for you!!! :hellno:

Blah, Blah, Blah.....

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I am merely pointing out how this administration is wrong and how their policies are anti American. Some of the things they have done clearly violate the Constitution.

No.... you are "merely" pointing out what someone wants you to BELIEVE is wrong and who is to blame! Again.... other than the disputed "mandate" in Obamacare, tell me ONE THING that this administration has done that is in violation of the Constitution! .... OR is "Anti-American!"

I'm sorry that I didn't remember reading that. I NEVER questioned your patriotism and I'm SORRY that you were not able to serve! I KNOW you would have loved to! I only mentioned it because it must have deprived you of the experience of those of us who were lucky enough to have done so. For what it's worth.... I believe the "Americans with Disabilities Act" (which probably wasn't enacted then,) SHOULD have allowed people with your unique challenge to serve in non-combat roles! Do I DARE ask - or suggest - that this "betrayal" by your gov't has influenced your feelings in any way?

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My dad did spend 42 years in the military so I have a great appreciation of our armed forces. I suspect that if we are ever defeated that it will come from within, not from military might. On the other hand, China is likely to challenge us in the near future and thanks to our one sided trade deficit with them, we are funding their military machine.

I'm sure you are proud of his service, and we all thank him for it. I am also sure that he is/was proud of you. As I said... YOUR patriotism has NEVER been questioned here.

THIS is the problem! You apparently BELIEVE everything you read to be TRUE... and do not do any research to verify it! You should have EVERY reason to question the truth of anything you receive through emails from "friends" or websites that you are on an "alert list" from! If for no OTHER reason than the fact that I have debunked nearly EVERYTHING you have ever "forwarded" to CAD!

Actually, I never said that. The pictures didn't come through (to me) in your post. I had to click the SNOPES link from the poster who DEBUNKED your post to see pictures AND to read the story about it! YOU didn't even explain what it was you were posting! :hellno:

Since you do NOW.... we won't have to have this discussion again.... right? I may not always BE here to bail your azz out! (it wasn't me though...)

Like WHAT, for instance?

Or perhaps we could just "retire" that tired old line! :hellno:

The difference is that I have PROOF and have done research to back up my claims. By your own admission, you do NOT!

It is not conservatives that I blame. My criticisms of Bush were based on facts and statistics. You are making chit up... or believing those who DO.... about Obama. There IS a difference. I am not trying to have it both ways. I have my OWN criticisms of Obama.... but, they don't include LIES and fearmongering!

You DO have a search engine like google or yahoo or bing at your disposal, don't you? If so.... type in obama prison email snopes ..... and see what you get.

 

Hey G. You are obviously a smart guy and that's why your ultra conservative posts get under my skin just a little. You can't honestly believe that trickle down economics worked even a little can you?

Picture this. You and me are in a dark alley. I tell you that you should give me mucho greenbacks and in return I will trickle down a mean mess o coins on you. Are you dumb enough to fall for that? I doubt it. So why would you believe it just because someone with exceptional oratory skills lays that pile of crap on you? Reagan had a gift for oratory but Reagan did more to ruin this country than anyone else in our lifetimes.

For one thing Reagan talked about small government and then proceeded to double the national debt. It was about $1T when he took office and it was $2T when he left. There's a disconnect there.

Sure Reagan cut taxes and had he done so while simultaneously cutting expenses I would probably be his biggest fan. But he didn't do that! Instead of practicing what he preached he introduced America to the national credit card. Sure we seemed to be living better, passing costs on to future generations can be a beautiful thing. lol

I am a fiscal conservative. I believe in acting responsibly and paying my bills without handouts. I'm sorry but Ronald Reagan believed in borrowing from future generations so that his generation could live beyond their means and in the 90s we had to pay the bill. Dubya tried to be Reagan 2 and now we have to pay those bills.

Being conservative used to imply being fiscally responsible but starting in 1980 we had a reckless national economics experiment called "trickle down economics" and the country veered off on the path of living beyond our means and sticking future generations with the bill. I don't even have kids and I can't stomach that. How can parents stomach that for an instant? I don't get it.

 

Gman just do us a favor and before you post something you blindly repeat from hearing on the radio or some bs email, factcheck it. Blindly repeating lies and disinformation is exactly the problem in our media and you are doing it too. You shouldnt assume something is the truth, especially if its sent in an email its mostl likely a lie and i cant believe you would not assume that...btw Im a deposed Nigerian dictator and i need you to help me funnel some cash out, ill give you 20% if you let me use your bank account.