That Statement he made in the IL Senate as a restriction he wanted to put on the FOID cards anyone that wants to own a Firearm in this CHITHOLE state has to get. So his Views are well known anything that can fire more than one round before needing to be RELOADED is an Assault Rifle in his Eyes. BTW Hobo Frankilin Roosevlet is the Reason all Presidents are Restricted to 2 terms. He also tried to get 4 more Justices on the Supreme court in IIRC 1937 to keep 90% of the crap he passed LEGAL. He is Not the Super President you make him out to be. History has shown his policies EXTENDED the Great Depression 8 years longer than it needed to last. We had the same problem in 1919 after the First War the Economy Tanked. How was it Handled then We cut Spending Taxes and look what happened the Roaring Twenties. BTW the Economic Crisis of 1919 made the Great Depression look like NOTHING yet we were out of it as a nation in less than 2 years.

 

HOBO SAID:

The U.S. Military probably would be able to defend our government against a civilian uprising, however, England thought the same thing and thus the US was born. Also, you are forgetting one major thing, a lot of the military would be torn on which side to fight. They would feel allegiance to their nation obviously, but at the same time your military members are probably the largest statistical owners of guns. If the even only half of the military opted on the civilian side, that cuts the force to protect the government down to roughly a little over 1 million people, however, the "army" that would rise up against it would be much much larger. Considering the military would likely not use large grade weapons against a mostly unarmed civilian population of any country let alone itself, by sheer numbers, the civilian force most likely would be able to overrun the government.

 

You must have gotten the "email." :roll:

Read the rest of the debunking here:

Obama’s Gun Ban? | FactCheck.org

 

Got to agree with Hobo, the loop I'm in, not a peep on any gun rights being taken away nationally. If there were the NRA would be screaming bloody murder right now. Sounds like the same BS that went on when Obama was elected, a rumor got started that he was going to take away guns and ammo so people ran out and bought everything they could. It was probably the gun makers themselves who started the rumor.

 

Just put my new NRA decal on today!!

 

You know, Hobo, sometimes, when I read your posts, I'm reminded of a politician at a news conference. One that is well versed, but every once in a while, gets a question out of the blue that he hasn't looked up.:lol:

 

Windwalker said:

Contrary to what you MAY have meant, I'll take that as a compliment. But, pray tell.... WHAT makes you think I haven't considered EVERY question that could be raised? :hellno:

In MOST cases, I already KNOW what is possibly TRUE and what is BS as soon as I read the post. I just prefer NOT to CALL B.S. until I've researched to prove MY point. :smokin:

It does HELP however, to KNOW that MOST arguments posted here are UNFOUNDED, and that MY opinions are basically RIGHT.... and can be proved to BE so! :lol2:

So, I have a certain "freedom" to be as "conceited" as so many think I AM! :lol:

Seriously... I LOVE the "battle." I AM occaisionally taken aback by some of the "off the wall" statements that I need to refute. But, I have NO DOUBT that I can find an answer or rebuttal.

IF the members of CAD ever present an argument worth deferring to... I WILL defer! [and HAVE!] But, since MOST of them are Conservatives.... I'm not too worried. :lol:

[Vito DOES scare me a bit, though. When HE speaks.... E.F. Hutton listens! :lol: ]

 

razorwyr said:

No need to apologize man. Your point was clear. I just like to look at the other side of the coin. BTW.... if your post count is not indicative of a "MULT," then you are a newbie here.... and you are MOST welcome! I... for one... like to hear from intelligent posters who can make their point (as you do.) You qualify. Are you a DRIVER? It's okay if you're not. We just like to know about the "participants" here.

And THAT was my point. If the constitution gives us freedom to bear arms, it cannot then take that FREEDOM away by enforcing gun ownership. It is a FACT that our founding fathers actually passed legislation REQUIRING every eligible male to BEAR ARMS and be "inscripted into" a militia at the time. What the FRUCK??? That is the same as the "DRAFT" which has been outlawed TODAY! :eek2:

The "kennesaw Law" is an interesting "case" to be decided by the Supreme Court as clearly as is the D.C. or Chicago handgun BAN laws!

That IS an interesting possibility. But, as Windy and GMAN like to say.... Criminals don't really CARE about consequences! IF, as they say, criminals don't consider the possibilty of long term PRISON sentences before committing a (gun related) crime.... I DOUBT they really consider that some "armed" civilian is going to overcome and KILL them! I'm no criminal psychiatrist.... but, I believe they feel "invincible" and no LAW and NO VICTIM is going to get the best of them!

Well, you got THAT right. My sister and her family used to LIVE in Kennesaw... for several years. I've been there. Not just driving through in a truck, but actually spending time there. It's an "upwardly mobile" community. GUN crme is not a major concern there. There MAY have BEEN some, which caused some politicians to press for this ENFORCED armament law.... but, as the report showed, it didn't TAKE.... and it wasn't necessary! And according to the Police Lt..... it wasn't a FACTOR in reducing crime rates! So much for THIS "icon" of Republican gun policy and propaganda! :hellno:

And I'm sorry, but I find this whole line of logic to be IL-logical! The crime rate, especially concerning breakins, is probably HIGHER in suburban areas, NOT because the criminals expect LESS "armed opposition"... but, because they expect RICHER rewards! NO criminal actually fears an "accoutant with a gun!" :lol:

The fact that the crime rate in Kennesaw went down has MORE to do wth increased policing due to the pressures placed on the local government by "richer" constituents. Believe me.... I've been there. RICH communities get better policing, and lower crime, and it has NOTHING to do with personal gun rights, or some unenforcable law REQUIRING gun ownership!

SOME on your side are grasping at straws! They are SO DESPERATE to justify a right they ALREADY HAVE.... that they make up LIES to support their position... and accuse my president of insurrection against the Constitution!

I must say that, as much as i love these debates.... I really don't understand their "derangement" over the 2nd Amendment! There are nine others that INSIST on the rights of the individual, and many more that came after, yet they FEAR that the entirity of the Constituion, and it's validity in American life today, is dependent on that ONE ammendment! :roll:

Lest I haven't said it lately.... and Y'all haven't HEARD our president affirm it lately.... NO ONE in the U.S. government has ANY intention of taking away your GUNS!

Now... can we PLEASE start talking about things that are IMPORTANT to our preservation as a nation???

 

Email i got today. I thought of Obamahobo :lol:


> FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

> 1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."~Thomas Jefferson
> 2. "Those who trade liberty for security have neither." ~ John Adams
> 3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
> 4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
> 5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
> 6. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
> 8. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
> 9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
> 10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
> 11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
> 12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
> 13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
> 14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?
> 15. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.
> 16. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
> 17. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

 

Yes, Rosty.... I DO! THAT was the true "foundation" of our country. Instead of "taxation without representation" from the British Crown, we set up a "representative" government, where everyone has a right to vote...even if only for a LOCAL representative... and one to send to Congress.

Now, I am not blind to the way special interest groups, PACs, and now ANY big business (thanks to the ruling of the Supreme Conservative Court) can spend unlimited money trying to BUY the votes of our representatives..... but, that doesn't mean the PEOPLE can't wise up and put a stop to it!

But, it can be done by THE VOTE. There is no need for armed insurrection in OUR country. We are not like many third World countries that live under TRUE "tyranny." WE have changed our government MANY times in recent years through the vote.... and there is NO reason to believe that process should fail us NOW.

We kicked NIXON out of power thru the representative VOTE. We replaced Carter with a simple vote of "no confidence." We dumped Bush Sr. for reasons of "representative" displeasure. We "changed" directions with a popular swelling to elect Clinton (TWICE!)

And THEN the system was corrupted when we "selected" Dubya.... AGAINST the popular VOTE..... in 2000, and "re-selected" him 4 years later thanks to fear mongering AND some cheating!

But, AFTER that debacle.... we AGAIN changed the direction of our nation thru the "popular" (and Electoral college) vote.... by a landslide, in electing President Obama.

Now... you can have YOUR opinion on EACH of those changes.... as do I.... but, you cannot say we didn't MAKE those changes by the VOTE... and NOT by armed insurrection against our FLAG!!

The day America decides an election based on anything BUT the popular or electoral (representative) VOTE.... is the day we ABDICATE our moral high ground in the World!

This doesn't mean I don't SEE powers of influence in our elections. DUBYA PROVED that! But, I STILL believe that .... for some stupid reason.... we are able to CHANGE our form and focus of government every 4 years.... through the VOTE!