Windwalker said:

Yeah, a 45 slug will DO that.

You mean ME? Okay, maybe I don't flow with slobberish compliments on CAD, but MANY here (especially new members) find my posts informative and helpful. You should consider it a COMPLIMENT that I haven't had reason to be an AZZ towards you yet! :lol2:

Seriously.... I meant what I said about you being a leader here on CAD. More importantly, it seems you've been a LEADER all your life. I KNOW the feeling (believe it or not,) And I also meant that I don't F*CK so much with people who Just interpose INFORMATION or ideas without political discrimination.

We have disagreed before, and may do so again.... but, I respect you. As for what "happened"..... that's a complicated subject. Yeah, me and Twilight had a "come to Jesus meeting," But, it took more.

Well? :hellno::roll::lol2:

 

I didn't really want to get off on another political thread, but since you brought it up I will answer.

I think you are referring to the Patriot Act when you mentioned the First Amendment under George Bush. I never supported the Patriot Act. I felt that it was a mistake and infringed upon the First Amendment. There are a number of issues that I disagreed with Bush. He was not a conservative.

Obama and the democrats have done everything that they can to silence any opposition. They have been trying to silence conservative talk shows in the name of fairness. The reason there are so few liberal talk shows is because the ratings are not there. Without ratings you can't sell advertising. Media live for advertising dollars.

It is easy to compare Obama to Hitler, but I could just as easily compared him to Stalin or Lenin or any of the other dictators throughout history. Let's see.....he came on the scene and got to cooperation of the media to control what is being dispersed to the masses. Without conservative talking media we would not know that there was any opposition to his views. To hear them the entire country is in favor of this national healthcare tax. It is rare for me to talk to anyone who is in favor of it. He has lied to his supporters when they elected him to office. He promised them bipartisanship and said that he would change the way business was done in Washington. He lied. It is more business as usual, only to a greater extent. He has coerced, cajoled and used our tax dollars to pass the largest spending bill in our history. This is after the largest spending bill in history just after he took office. He has spent more money in his first year than Bush in 8 years. AND HE IS STILL SPENDING!!!! Obama and the democrats have been blaming the rich for all the problems we face in this country. It isn't fair that the rich have so much. He wants to take from the rich and give to those who are unwilling to do their part to work and build this country. That is the tactics that every other dictator has used to rise to power. Hitler came on the scene during a worldwide depression. He blamed business owners, mainly the Jews, for their economic woes. He took over their businesses, property and ultimately killed millions of them when their only crime was to be born a Jew. Stalin and Lenin murdered millions of people in their rise to power. Obama hasn't gotten to the point of mass murder, but his policies are following previous dictators as they rose to power. Obama also made a statement that I felt was appropriate for him a few months ago. I don't remember the exact wording, but he stated that he was going to "RULE" this nation. Others whom I have heard have stated that they wanted to "LEAD" the nation. I found that interesting.

Obama is forcing the largest spending bill or entitlement through congress when the overwhelming majority of Americans DON"T want it. I have heard some polls at over 70% of the people DON'T want this massive spending bill. Even liberal media polls have more people who don't want it than do. I don't know where you get your figures that most people want this bill.

Hitler took over many businesses when he rose to power. If you recall, Obama took over one of the largest insurance companies in the world (AIG) along with two of the largest automobile manufacturers in the world (GM and Chrysler). And don't forget about the banking industry. Hitler had no experience running any business when he took office. Neither does Obama. Hitler hid some of his background from the public. Obama has hidden his heritage and scholastic records from public view. Hitler over saw massive unemployment under his rule. Obama has the largest unemployment that we have seen in modern history. I heard this morning that there have been over 2.8 million jobs lost under his administration.

Hitler attacked organized religion and was very involved in the occult. I don't know if Obama is involved in the occult, but he and the democrats have attacked organized religion, specifically Christianity.

By comparing Obama to Hitler I am not attacking the military or U.S. businesses. That is a democratic thing. Obama refused to vote to send our troops into harms way. His fellow democrats voted to send our military to war and then withheld funds to protect them. Remember families having to send armor to their families when the democrats refused? I certainly do. They wanted to blame Bush, but it was Obama and his democrats that are responsible for killing many of our troops because they chose to put politics ahead of the safety of our troops.

This healthcare tax will not reform healthcare. It is a tax that does not address the primary problems with our healthcare. Litigation is the single biggest cost to healthcare. Tests are performed so that healthcare providers can protect themselves from lawsuits. My wife was in the hospital a few days ago after spending 8 days inpatient only a week earlier. She had a CT scan while she was admitted. Another was done when she was in the emergency room. I questioned the doctor about it and he told me that they did it due to litigation. He told me that they routinely do extra tests to protect themselves from litigation. We all pay a price for litigation, yet there is NOTHING in this bill that addresses that issue. Government regulations are another reason healthcare costs are so great. A nurse that I spoke with during her visit told me that they had to go through 4 people to get a room when previously they could do it with a single phone call. That means that there are 3 more salaries that are being paid that are unnecessary. My wife has a lot of serious health issues. I don't want this bill. I pay enough taxes. There are real issues concerning our healthcare which need to be addressed. Yet, these issues are not going to be addressed. This administration is about taking over this country and pushing it toward socialism. That is the change that Obama plans to bring to this country. They know that if you get enough people receiving benefits from the government that you will insure your power. Lawyers are not going to address issues that affect their industry or their personal income. That is why you won't see tort reform in this bill and it won't be addressed by a democratic congress.

 

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how people, such as golfhobo, talk about the "ramblings" and "talking points" of anyone who opposes obama, and yes I know the o in obama is suppose to be capital. All of these folks, mostly Beck are just pointing out, proving what the man himself and his minions have said. He claims, obama, he hadn't had much to do with Acorn, but yet there is video of him giving speeches to them. He doesn't talk about what the unions have done for him, but yet there is video of him giving speeches to SEIU and praising Andy Stern, who by the way is the most frequent overnight guest at the white house. He says he doesn't want single payer health care but yet there is video and audio of him talking about doing it a little at a time. I could go on and on with several subjects.

This president is a narcissistic, lying, cheating do what it takes to make me loved kinda guy. I believe everything that is said about him, especially when there is proof to back it up. For anyone to not believe any of this, you are not facing the truth because you don't want to or you are an idiot. Look at where we are from 1yr ago. Look to where we are going. It's not just obama, it's all of his "followers" in his administration.

This man has never led ANYTHING, and he's the president. It's amazing. Have you ever seen the statistics of his cabinet and administration as far as working or being a CEO or any kind of boss in the public sector? It's at the bottom of ALL administrations to date. To this day he talks of "transforming" America. What is wrong with this country? The same country they are railing about is the same country that has made ALL of them wealthy. Put them in charge of this country. Gave them the freedom to say what they want too. Sure we have problems but none that can't be solved without a radical agenda.

What makes this man think I want to work my ass off and give ANY of it to somebody who doesn't want to work? Are you crazy? I have no sympathy for any able body person who isn't working but can stand there in an interview holding a cell phone in new clothes talk about how bad they have it.

Have any of you obama lovers heard his wife giving a speech about how her husband will never "allow" us go back to doing the things we have been doing, living the way we have been? He will demand that we change our ways our traditions. It makes me sick that people are following this kind of stuff.

Have you seen where some restaraunts in NYC aren't serving salt anymore because it's unhealthy? Are you kidding me? Who's to tell me what I can or can't eat. If this healthcare bill passes that's not all they will be telling us we can't have anymore. To think otherwise is foolish, plain blindness.

Everything that has been said about obama by themselves might be fear mongering. All of it together is more than mere coincidence.

By the way. I was ready to vote for this guy before the Rev. Wright story came out. I was done with him afterwards. Since then it has been more than one coincidence after another. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me, Fool me three times, I'm an idiot.

Sorry for the name calling but I have had it with the kool-aid drinkers. People are waking up, just not as fast as I would like.

 

Hobo, If you had your way what would you want to see changed and why? You mentioned fraud, discrimination and waste, How would having a single payer (assuming that's what your looking for) system work to lower costs AND provide better care?
Lay it out here for me so I can try to understand where your coming from



BTW sorry WW about hijacking your thread

 

Very well said!!

 

I really do enjoy many of Hobo's posts. Very often, he succeeds at engaging the thought processes. However, can we get him away from the helm? This boat took a detour.

I want my money back...

 

Windy: I DID call that a "note to self." Twilight was the one who derailed the thread! (by evoking Hitler. The Rev had a LAW about this... I don't remember what it was.)

When I said I should read his book, it was because it was relative to the idea of HOPE as an alternative to "expectations" of life as we've always known it here in the U.S.

YOU made the statement about "expect/hope." I just got linked to the old saying..... HOPE in one hand and CHIT in the other, and then tell me which one you EXPECT to get filled up first!

My point was that HOPE and EXPECTATION are not the same, and should not necessarliy be linked by a "slash mark."

For you to have HOPED for things to change without EFFORT (or vigilance) on your part is polyannic.

To EXPECT them to change (for the better) without effort is equally as impotent.

They are different emotions/inclinations.... yet, they are both dependent on either prayer or action. To be MORE clear..... one should not EXPECT a change he has not HOPED for, nor HOPE for a change he has not laid the groundwork to allow him to EXPECT.

As for the thread? Get it back on topic if you wish, but it is a SICK one. Let's see.... the Boy Scouts take some kind of oath to GOD don't they? Or at least, they stand for "family and moral values." And the Catholic church assumes moral standing over the lives of so many. If you ask me.... it sounds just like the way conservatives give up their right to free THOUGHT when told what to believe by their "leaders" (many of whom like to find sex with boys/men.) :eek2::thumbsdown:

Wasn't it Reagan who said (or did he just repete [sic]) that one should TRUST but VERIFY? HE was a smart man. Not the best president, but not the worst. Alas.... his downfall was not being conservative enough for HIS party, and not quite liberal enough for ours. Still he served his term limit, and IIRC..... didn't polarize our country the way the Republicans of today (and their mouthpiece FoxNews) have!

One more clarification. I am not against morality and family values. Believe me, I have benefitted greatly from just that from my parents! I am against those who PREACH one thing and then DO another! And I am against those who blindly FOLLOW these people as long as they are being fed "red meat" from them. And I am against ANY form of greed that causes a government leader OR a CEO to put PERSONAL gain above the daily concerns of the middle class who support BOTH of them!

SOME here would call that "Socialism." I call it fair play and a constitutionaly protected right to the "pursuit of happiness." The middle class is NOT very "happy" today! SOME here would blame taxes for the problem. I blame the cost of a tongue depressor in a hospital for it! I blame the fact that people are going bankrupt over HEALTHCARE for it. I blame the oil companies and their windfall profits for it. I won't go so far as to blame "capitalism" for it. Capitalism in theory is good. It is pure GREED (which GOD calls evil) that is to blame. Just HOW MUCH is ENOUGH for these people?

I ask you, Windy.... what do YOU believe is meant by our forefathers' claim that Americans have the RIGHT to "the pursuit of happiness?" Surely that is as nebulous as the right to bear arms, or the right to free (not hate) speech. The OVERWHELMING cause of bankruptcies, suicides, and overall "angst" among Americans today is their DEBT! And MOST of that is due to the cost of healthcare! And for SOME.... it is just the cost of healthcare INSURANCE.... even if they are not currently SICK! :eek2:

Every year, rates go UP! The last I heard, it was like 10 times the rate of inflation OR wages! Why? So the big executives can have a meeting in some exotic place to give awards out to the divisions who "saved" the company the most money by DENYING claims for those who have paid their premiums for years?

The choice to me is clear. The Republicans want to protect the insurance companies and the status quo (even tho EVERYONE agrees it will bankrupt our government within 20 years.) The Dems want to CHANGE it so that middle class and poorer Americans can get the same kind of medical care that government employees get. They're not asking for a "single payer" system. They are not advocating a "gubbermint takeover" of healthcare. They are advocating REFORM that will save both the government AND our citizens money over time.

 

Although some people are in debt due to healthcare costs, most are in debt due to over spending on credit. They have been buying things that they don't need and cannot afford.

Insurance premiums are costly as is the cost of healthcare itself. What the democrats want to do will not solve the problem. It will only add on more debt that this country or our people cannot afford.

I am not at all happy with all the greed that I see in this country either, golfhobo. It is like a virus that has spread throughout our society. I don't like to see executives rewarded for running their companies into the ground. I also don't like to see so much profiteering by insurance companies and oil companies. I especially hate to see the greed of government employees and our elected representatives. We have greed by those who receive their monthly government check for being non productive even though they are able bodied and complain that it is not enough. We have greed at all levels of society. We have those on this forum that are also greedy. Some feel that they should be paid for every minute of their day, even for taking a shower or eating. Greed isn't just reserved for the insurance and oil industries.

 

Oh man, I’m shattered! Hobo has insulted me and called me a child!

Boo hoo hoo hooooooo!

More importantly, I find it interesting that you seem to have a thing for me and find a way to interject me into every comment you make. I find that a little uncomfortable as I simply don’t swing that way.

Bwa ha ha ha!

Seriously, when the flames are finally quenched from this administration, you’re going to find that your messiah will have made Hitler look like a choirboy.

In udder words, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. I wonder, as you watch what he does over the next few years – since you obviously have been oblivious to the first 15 months – if you’re going to remain asleep. Or will you wake up and realize what everyone has been screaming at you. Will it take fighting in the streets and American citizens dead under the heels of your boy’s troops? Will it take martial law and the suspension of elections? Because that’s the direction we are headed, pal, whether you choose to believe it or not. Maybe not today or maybe not tomorrow, but it’s coming and it’s coming fast.

If I were you and your dad is who you say he is, I’d seek him out and engage him on what will happen in the last days. Because it’s happening today. That’s not scare tactics…it simply is what it is.

 

"The Pursuit of Happiness" is offered to each and every one of us as soon as we are born. WE make our OWN lives. Yes I could go back to college and go get a high paying high falutin job somewhere, but that's just not me, but the opputunity is there just as it is for you, me, and EVERY SINGLE American. If someone is poor, it's what they have chosen to do. If you don't like it, get up off of your lazy ass and go to school. Go to work. Use one of the many "government programs" that are available to you to better yourself. You say some people can't work or whatever? How many stories have you heard of someone getting tired of not having anything or living the way they are and it sucks and lo and behold they found a way to go to school, start their own company, and now they are millionares. LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT!!! YOU!!! Not what somebody else supposedly has done to you. WHOAEST ME!!!

Am I angry? Your damn right I'm angry!!! People like you golfhobo are what is wrong with this country. The GREATEST place on earth and you can do nothing but bitch about it. How many people do you know that are getting on wooden planks or metal tubs in the USA, jumping into the Ocean to get to Cuba, or France, or England, or Venazuala or how many people are climbing the fence to go to Mexico? Again, this country isn't perfect nor will it every be, but it's a damn site better than anyplace on earth that I have been and that is alot of places.

I'm guessing golfhobo you play golf. How many poor folks off the street have you taken with you to play a round? How many people are you helping out with that money you use for greens fees? How about the money you have spent on clubs, clothes, club membership, golf carts. If I'm way off base I apologize. If not, go look in the mirror. Only you know that answer. Can you be honest with yourself?

We all have the oppurtunity to make what we want to be. Haven't you climed out from under that rock you have been living under long enough to hear the phrase, "You can be whatever you want to be"? I chose my life a long time ago. I love what I have done and what I am doing. I have seen the world a couple of times over with the Air Force and these beloved United States of America a number of times over thru driving a truck. I am back working for the Air Force and loving every minute of it.

I am not rich nor do I plan on being rich unless I get lucky with a ticket someday. Is there greed? Sure there is. Just as there is greed with the president and the power he is seeking, but you don't see that. You will never do away with greed. You will never do away with rich people. You will never do away with poor people. Some people are happy being poor, some people are happy being rich and some people, such as myself are happy being middle of the road. I have now and have always had a great life and I wouldn't trade it for all of the money in the world.

I make damn good money and I put a little away for the rocking chair days but I spend alot because that is what I choose to do with MY money. I give money out of my paycheck to a charity of my choice and a couple of local charities of my choice. As I said before, what makes this idiot of a president or anyone else who thinks the same way, that I want them to take MY hard earned money and give it to somebody not of my choice, MY money. Your nuts! I believe in paying my fair share of taxes, but even that is getting out of hand. You start taking my money for some lazy ass, then we have a problem.

Off the subject a bit and then I'll shut up. Yes their are sick people who are catholic or boy scouts, Just as there are sick people who are baptist, boy scouts, ministers, priests, truck drivers, store clerks,moms, dads, coaches, teachers, pilots, firemen, policemen, grandparents, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, taxi drivers, politicians, rich people, poor people. Every walk of life contains sicko's. To try to put those type of people into one group is sick! Life ain't perfect bucko!

Sorry for the rant people, like I said I'm kind of angry.